DMZ@exodus- leeds, friday 27th april

matt b

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i'm finally free to go to one of these (and by posting, i'm hoping to force myself out of the house on friday ;) )- so is anyone here going?


SUBDUB PRESENTS

EXODUS

FRIDAY 27TH APRIL 07

ROOM 1: DMZ (IRATION STEPPAS SOUND SYSTEM)

DIGITAL MYSTIKZ & LOEFAH
SKREAM
YOUNGSTA
HATCHA
BENGA
PLASTICIAN
D1
KROMESTAR

MC'S SGT POKES & CRAZY D
 

matt b

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likewise mr noise.

if its set-up like subdub, i'll be standing near the speaker stack to the right of the small set of stairs.
 

matt b

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thoughts of a dub-step amateur

first things first- the new iration stacks are monumental- the suspended floor of the slope down to the main room was vibrating so much from the bass pressure, it was really difficult to walk on, and the mids and tops weren't distorting in the slightest- a far cleaner sound than in the past.
the volume was also insane- i have no doubt that people who weren't wearing earplugs and spent any length of time in front of the speakers could have done themselves permanent damage.

we arrived at about 12.00, with youngsta on the decks, which set the scene for the next two hours- a mix of heavy 4x4 stuff and very tech-step sounding bits (later on, hatcha played a tune that could easily have been a pitched down tune by prisoners of technology)- particularly in the basslines. this was not especially awe-inspiring, though it seems that the scene tastemakers have decided that this is the new way forward for dubstep.

after a quick look in the backroom, we caught the end of youngsta's set- a mix of request line and some mad drum heavy bit, which was diverting for a minute or two.

next up, benga vs hatcha- benga's first tune was heavy and he played with a bit more variation than either youngsta or hatcha- oh, i'm starting to enjoy myself here. but again, dubplate business took priority. at one point there was a series of tunes- starting with half step and moving into the newer dubplates, that seemed to reflect the move from jungle to tech-step (excitement to torpor) in 20 minutes. although the crowd seemed very happy with it, headbanging away, whilst i started to pay more attention to the moments when mark iration was titting about with the sirens and sound effects.

then time for dmz- starting w/ an 80s digital production, then sizzla's 'one of those days' followed by a bit of rhythm and sound 'see mi ya' business (boy, did THAT sound good on the system!), they wound up the tension before dropping a good mix of old and new stuff, moving from the pounding to more stark half-step wobblers and back again.

as they came to an end, we chipped, missing skream and feeling that whilst enjoyable, if this is the next stage in dubstep's development, it may be less interesting than what has come before.




p.s. good to see mr boomnoise again
 

Grievous Angel

Beast of Burden
Thanks for posting the review - been looking forward to it.

I can understand the point of view - Yunx can go a bit too techy. Hatcha often pulls him back from techno noodling. BUT I am very much looking forward to seeing him play on Thursday, even if he plays pure 4x4.

Loefah / Mala sets are still the touchstone, if you liked their set then you like the latest and freshest in dubstep - this is axiomatic! Sounds like their set was really good and I'm glad you liked them.

Did you hear 50,000 Watts or Sensi Dub (Cotti and Cluekid's refix of Sleng Teng)? They've got a lot more life and colour than the pure instrumental wobblers. In fact, as Kode9 says, does the world really need another instrumental dance music? I still love it though.

You might want to look at the last tune of the night:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vq5D3s5xNc&mode=related&search=
 

matt b

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Loefah / Mala sets are still the touchstone, if you liked their set then you like the latest and freshest in dubstep - this is axiomatic! Sounds like their set was really good and I'm glad you liked them.

Did you hear 50,000 Watts or Sensi Dub (Cotti and Cluekid's refix of Sleng Teng)? They've got a lot more life and colour than the pure instrumental wobblers. In fact, as Kode9 says, does the world really need another instrumental dance music? I still love it though.

i like the stark stuff!- i wasn't moved by a lot of the newer stuff played- it seems that everyone is now copying left leg out / bury the bwoy. pretty macho music w/ little or no swing.

dmz were very good, but the energy had been sucked out of me a bit by what had come before. disco rekka sounded brutal.

i didn't hear a sleng teng re-rub, and haven't heard 50,000 watts yet (at least knowingly). the dmz productions shone on the system- extra heavy
 

UFO over easy

online mahjong
unfortunately- yes! particularly when you get 4 copy cat versions in a row

I didn't hear anything like that. Skream and Benga have been doing the gallopy four to the floor sound for ages.

RE: comparison of jungle-techstep, if anything I'd say it was the absolute opposite. The closest dubstep has come to sounding like techstep was a few years ago when skream and benga were doing things like The Judgement/Amber/The Bug, and the Acid People EP. Dubstep is bouncier and more melodic than it ever has been..
 

nomos

Administrator
I'd actually been thinking along the same lines at matt re: the shift in tenor. In fact i'd say the passage from early uk garage all the way through to late dubstep has notable if blurry parallels with acid house through techstep/neurofunk - similar historical patterns of opening up and experimenting, and closing down and consolidating.)

The early Big Apple stuff that was stark and techy could be likened to the trail end of ardkore when the 4x4 was mixing with breaks and the Belgian synths were mutating (Doc Scott, etc.). Early Loefah is Torque and 90% of the macho young neophytes in the Dubstepforum producers room are following in the foosteps of the post-'97/'98 crowd that led so many early junglists to pick up and move into garage in the first place.
 

Grievous Angel

Beast of Burden
RE: comparison of jungle-techstep, if anything I'd say it was the absolute opposite. The closest dubstep has come to sounding like techstep was a few years ago when skream and benga were doing things like The Judgement/Amber/The Bug, and the Acid People EP. Dubstep is bouncier and more melodic than it ever has been..

Objectively I think that is true. Early Skream and Benga is not, in the main, particularly good, though that first Skream mix is very good, if harsh and industrial. Acid People EP isn't hot. Neither is the Digital Mystikz Big Apple EP (or indeed DMZ001). Stuff like Crunked Up (tuuuuuuuuuuuunnnnneee!) or Check It are a million times better, bouncier, more colourful.

But you do get bits of DMZ where it can get relentless...
 

matt b

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I didn't hear anything like that. Skream and Benga have been doing the gallopy four to the floor sound for ages.

RE: comparison of jungle-techstep, if anything I'd say it was the absolute opposite. The closest dubstep has come to sounding like techstep was a few years ago when skream and benga were doing things like The Judgement/Amber/The Bug, and the Acid People EP. Dubstep is bouncier and more melodic than it ever has been..

there was a load of 4x4 stuff played!- 'gallopy' is a good word for it, but in places it seemed pretty relentless- with the focus of the whole tune being the drop- which means you're bored of the tune after 8 bars.

i don't keep up with the newest tunes- i only really hear stuff tribe get in, which seems to have a slightly more reggae tinge, so loads of the stuff was new to me and did at times remind me of tech-step dances circa 1997/8, rather than reggae ones- more suited to 'e' than weed- nomos on the mark!

i just felt there was a lack of light and shade (before dmz played)- which on the iration rig you need.
 

UFO over easy

online mahjong
Objectively I think that is true. Early Skream and Benga is not, in the main, particularly good, though that first Skream mix is very good, if harsh and industrial. Acid People EP isn't hot. Neither is the Digital Mystikz Big Apple EP (or indeed DMZ001).

I love all that stuff, it has its place though. All about switching things up in a set innit :)

matt b said:
there was a load of 4x4 stuff played!- 'gallopy' is a good word for it, but in places it seemed pretty relentless- with the focus of the whole tune being the drop- which means you're bored of the tune after 8 bars.

Yeah I agree with all that, but I still don't think Skream/Benga/Hijak/Kromestar etc are consciously copying Left Leg Out - that tune is way wonkier than most of their stuff, and coming from a very different angle with its obvious house referencing. The stuff Skream was playing sounds more like techno to me - colder and totally pounding.

It's interesting though, if you'd been able to reach the exodus before last, you would've had a completely different perspective. Pinch, Cyrus and Distance played sets that contrast massively with the pitched up ravey stuff Hatcha/Benga/Skream were playing on Friday.

RE: tribe getting in reggaeish stuff - I've noticed Simon latches on to people's tastes very quickly. Within a few weeks of going down there he already knew what I would be wanting to buy each week. Maybe he plays you the reggae-ish stuff cos you're coming from that angle :)
 
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matt b

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The techy stuff sounds more like techno to me - colder and totally pounding.

yep. there was a definate techno, rather than house influence on plenty of the stuff played

It's interesting though, if you'd been able to reach the exodus before last, you would've had a completely different perspective. Pinch, Cyrus and Distance played sets that contrast massively with the pitched up ravey stuff Hatcha/Benga/Skream were playing on Friday.

of course- but aren't hatcha/youngsta/skream 'taste makers' in a way the other 3 aren't? so what they play will have a disproportionate influence on producers- or am i off the mark here?


RE: tribe getting in reggaeish stuff - I've noticed Simon latches on to people's tastes very quickly. Within a few weeks of going down there he already knew what I would be wanting to buy each week. Maybe he plays you the reggae-ish stuff cos you're coming from that angle :)

he's a good record shop owner!- i've been buying reggae in there since i moved up north (4 years) and bits of dubstep since he's been getting it in- so i'm always given a pile of stuff to listen to, as soon as i walk in (hence, i only go about once a month)- he does note what you don't buy as much as what you do sometimes- saves you wasting time, but it does mean i'm missing stuff and trends i have little interest in.
 

UFO over easy

online mahjong
of course- but aren't hatcha/youngsta/skream 'taste makers' in a way the other 3 aren't? so what they play will have a disproportionate influence on producers- or am i off the mark here?

At the moment I'd say no. Again, I think that was more true a couple of years ago, when Hatcha had exclusive access to DMZ/Skream/Benga, and then when Youngsta started to push his own focused, fairly narrow view of the scene.

Now dubstep's expanded so much, producers can afford to take risks and develop their own sound - people like Distance and Cyrus are being booked to play raves regularly now. I think its easier now for producers to push their own vision, rather than being made to comply with what DJs want to play.
 
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