Max Mosley

Mr. Tea

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Two great reader comments from the news.bbc.com 'magazine' section on S&M: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7504758.stm

James Rigby said:
There's nothing more British than a right royal spanking followed by a nice cup of tea. It helped build the Empire.
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Dean said:
It's clear to me that England is becoming more Satanic in nature every day, and the people who work for the BBC must take some responsibility for that.
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mistersloane

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Mosley's gonna win, mainly because his lawyer appears to be very, very good, and the NOTW just totally fucked up by not getting a translation of the video before they published, shoddy editorial.

What I don't understand is how a judge - of all people - can possibly give a balanced opinion on an S&M case.
 
IdleRich

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"Mosley's gonna win, mainly because his lawyer appears to be very, very good, and the NOTW just totally fucked up by not getting a translation of the video before they published, shoddy editorial."
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And also because the NOTW's main witness ("Woman E") dropped out citing personal problems. Mosley's lawyers are having a field day with that.
From what I read, the NOTW promised the woman £25k for her story but they actually ended up paying her only £12k - Mosley's lawyers suggested that that was because the story she got wasn't as damaging as had been hoped or expected, however, the NOTW's defence against this claim was that it was standard practice for them to offer a large sum as a carrot to potential spies but to pay a much smaller sum when the informer had gone to the trouble of getting the information and had nowhere else to sell it. Nice business. You can hardly blame her for failing to stand up for them in court if that really is the case - be good to think that ripping someone off for a few thousand could cost them millions.
 
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Hopefully the NOTW will get crushed in court like they deserve. They constantly make stuff up and inflict serious damage to the lives and reputations of innocent people (the present case notwithstanding) and get away with it due to the expense and difficulty of taking legal action against them.

They should really have known better than to take on the Reich though. Haven't they ever heard the phrase 'rich as a Nazi'?
 
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IdleRich said:
I didn't get a chance to get a paper today, could you elaborate please?
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Only just announced this a.m.

Here you go

Max Mosley, the Formula One boss, has won record damages in a privacy action against the News of the World after the newspaper claimed he took part in a "sick Nazi orgy".

Delivering his verdict at the High Court, Mr Justice Eady in London awarded the FIA (Federation Internationale de l’Automobile) president £60,000.

The tabloid had claimed that the son of the wartime fascist leader Sir Oswald Mosley had developed an unhealthy addiction to sadomasochism, spending £75,000 a year on violent orgies.

However, Mr Mosley’s lawyer said that the newspaper had recklessly ignored his right to privacy and was only interested in the material gain from publishing its exclusive story and the accompanying video, which sent its website ratings soaring.

r Justice Eady heard closing speeches in a case that was considered crucial in defining where the balance of human rights lies in reporting violent sex behind closed doors.

The judge said Mr Mosley had a "reasonable expectaion of privacy in relation to sexual activities, all-be-it unconventional, carried on between consenting adults in private property".

He added: "I have found that there was no evidence that the gathering on March 28, 2008, was intended to be an enactment of Nazi behaviour.

"I see no ... basis for the suggestion that the participants mocked the victims of the Holocaust."

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IdleRich

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Cheers.
Sixty-thousand doesn't sound much though, how is it record damages? It must be a record for a specific type. Still, it will almost pay for another year's worth of violent orgies so he must be pleased with that.
 
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crackerjack

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IdleRich said:
Cheers.
Sixty-thousand doesn't sound much though, how is it record damages? It must be a record for a specific type. Still, it will almost pay for another year's worth of violent orgies so he must be pleased with that.
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Yeah, it was a rcord for privacy violation - obviously it doesn't come close to the amounts awarded in some libel cases. Presumably Mosley wasn't suing for libel over the Nazi thing - just privacy violation, which the NOTW tried to justify by onn the grounds that his alleged Nazi fantasies were in the public interest. Does that make sense? (You'll gather I'm not a lawyer).

I still wanna know where this leads, that's the most important part. Does this mean any old d-lister is gonna run to the courts when the tabs print their he-shagged-her stories?

Or is it only going to be worth their while when when there are undercurrents of something more sinister (ie the Nazi thing)?

In which case, why was this brought under privacy legislation rather than libel law? Or is a libel suit from MM now on the cards? You'd think that would be much harder for him to win - that "Aryan blondes" thing alone would be enough to justify the Nazi angle in my mnd.
 
Mr. Tea

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WHAT PRICE MORALITY? screams today's Mail. Fucksake, haven't we got past the stage where we get righteously angry about people supposedly committing crimes against their own immortal soul? I guess the concept of 'sin' is still alive and well in the DM's view of the world.

Edit: they may well be twats, but at least they can spell, unlike me... *ninja edits* :)
 
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Mr. Tea said:
WHAT PRICE MORAILTY? screams today's Mail. Fucksake, haven't we got past the stage where we get righteously angry about people supposedly committing crimes against their own immortal soul?
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Or allowing ourselves to be lectured on morality by peoople who who think ethics are somewhere east of london.
 
IdleRich

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IdleRich
'Unconventional' was the word the 65-year-old judge chose to describe what he classed as Mr Mosley's sexual activities, which included being spanked and caned until he bled, having his bottom shaved in a mock medical examination, and taking orders from a German woman in a Luftwaffe jacket.
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I'm amazed that they can actually manage to (pretend to) get themselves worked up over that to be honest.

The NOTW response:

He added: 'As the elected head of the FIA, Mr Mosley is the leader of the richest sport in the world, with a global membership of almost 125 million. Taking part in depraved and brutal S&M orgies on a regular basis does not in our opinion constitute the fit and proper behaviour to be expected of someone in his hugely influential position.'

He added: 'It is not for the rich and the famous, the powerful and the influential, to dictate the news agenda, just because they have the money and the means to gag a free press.

'Unfortunately, our press is less free today after another judgment based on privacy laws emanating from Europe. How those very general laws should work in practice has never been debated in the UK Parliament.

'English judges are left to apply those laws to individual cases here using guidance from judges in Strasbourg who are unfriendly to freedom of expression. The result is that our media are being strangled by stealth.'
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Clearly calculated to get as much sympathy as possible by using various arguments which act like a red-rag to a bull for middle-englanders such as blaming europe, claiming to be fighting for press freedom, suggesting that the rich and powerful can buy their way out of trouble and, of course, most importantly, the classic idea that what you get up to in your bedroom or wherever can mean you are not fit for your job.
 
Mr. Tea

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Ludicrous, too, that they should blame European judges who are "unfriendly to freedom of expression" - clearly placing their right to 'express' titillating (and lucrative) gossip above Mosley's right to express his sexuality.

There was a piece in the Guardian a few days ago about how English libel law is among the most feared, over-the-top, corporate-friendly and journalist-unfriendly in the world. Anyone else see that? It was quite an eye-opener, I thought.
 
IdleRich

IdleRich

IdleRich
"There was a piece in the Guardian a few days ago about how English libel law is among the most feared, over-the-top, corporate-friendly and journalist-unfriendly in the world. Anyone else see that? It was quite an eye-opener, I thought."
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Well, I didn't see that article but this has been a big thing for a while. Any companies suing (sueing?) for libel will seek to have the trial in the UK on the flimsiest pretext because that is where they are most likely to win the most amount of money. British libel law is effectively being used to prevent books being published in other countries.
 
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