oh oh oh , i see . u r prolly TEH ONLY 1 here hoo has many years of formal traiing , whew thx for clarification i will shut upp now i am humbled .I don't have one year of formal training, I have many more than that.
oh oh oh , i see . u r prolly TEH ONLY 1 here hoo has many years of formal traiing , whew thx for clarification i will shut upp now i am humbled .I don't have one year of formal training, I have many more than that.
race has nothing to do with it
'breaky' as in rhythm 'drum patterns' = sampled funk drum breaks ? in clasical music ? breaky drum patterns in -early- 2oth Ctry CLASSICAL music ? rlly ? cld u steer me in that direction of one ... ? thanks !
no & frankly I don't care. we're not talking about physics.
there was one offhanded, flip remark, probably referring to DJ/rupture (one of the only Americans who is well-versed in Deleuze). you make it sound as if SR & Kpunk have embarked on some kind of murderous campaign to destroy all the "Deleuzians".
then what did you mean by people with no sense of rhythm? be clear.
hahahahha fine then , name one piece , and preferably measure , & i will seeThere aren't "sampled" funk drums in classical music, but there certainly are some artists who foreshadow the work of jazz and funk artists like Sun Ra and Miles Davis... ever heard Varese? Stockhausen? Birtwistle? Boulez? Feldman? Nono? Still? Barie? Vivier? Shapiro?
oh oh oh , i see . u r prolly TEH ONLY 1 here hoo has many years of formal traiing , whew thx for clarification i will shut upp now i am humbled .
hahahahha fine then , name one piece , and preferably measure , & i will see
you said "early 20th Century CLASSICAL music":
stockhausen's just died ,first piece in 51 , he famously hated repetition and AFRICAN rdrums
birtwistle is STILL ALIVE
Boulez , DITTO but he loves african drums true , still can't wait to see teh piece u name
feldman make a breaky beat , hahahah good one
it is teh internet , series of tubes , i talk what i want to talk about , point is , talkin bout formal training means absolutely NOTHING unles u can coherently apply it in an argumetn , for which i see exactly zero - and i do mean zero - evidence that u have done here yet . is that fair ? u said u could write out remarc tune , you said that "breaky drum patterns" were in early 20th C music . sooo, ? show us or give a link or something . standard .If you have some years, why don't you talk about it? Instead of just trolling?
this is getting so fucking inane
it is teh internet , series of tubes , i talk what i want to talk about , point is , talkin bout formal training means absolutely NOTHING unles u can coherently apply it in an argumetn , for which i see exactly zero - and i do mean zero - evidence that u have done here yet . is that fair ? u said u could write out remarc tune , you said that "breaky drum patterns" were in early 20th C music . sooo, ? show us or give a link or something . standard .
the hole point of anonymous forum is taht arguments stand or fall on substance of posts , not autobiography , who cares about formal training claimes , everyone could be lying , and more important still, having many years of forml trainning assures absolutely nothing .
teh internet is beautiful b/c of htis but also ugly .
Sure is.
It's simply a question of different standards.
I don't think you know what you're talking about. scratching & using turntables to extend breakbeats isn't the same as using drum machines & looping sampled breakbeats. hip hop was made with live bands well into the early 80s. i.e. "Rapper's Delight" being an interpolation of "Good Times" or "White Lines" of "Cavern" by Liquid Liquid, played by a live backing band - the Sugar Hill house band (Wimbush/McDonald/Leblanc) are the guys Adrian Sherwood nicked to become the house band for On-U Sound. around '82-83 electro brought drum machines, but drum machine programming is stilla whole different thing from looped breakbeats. Marley Marl kicked that off around ~85 & dudes (Paul C & EPMD & whoever) were chopping 'em up pretty fine by ~89 when East London bboys like Shut Up & Dance started combining hip hop breaks with house (which admittedly was being done at roughly the same time by the Brooklyn freestyle/techno guys - Frankie Bones, Lenny Dee etc.) & ragga deejays (which no one had done before) they picked off of reggae soundsystems to form what would become ardkore & then jungle. no one anywhere had sped up & processed breakbeats or combined them with subbass or put diva vocals pirated from disco or house over the top of it before that.
the point being, at least get it half right if you're going to make a statement like that.
Look, you're not going to convince me that minor tweaks are hugely innovative. So I'm going to drop it, because it's not worth it. We disagree.
Right then. Moving on.
I swear to god, every thread I post in, Padraig comes into it and does a line by line "breakdown" of it that's so pointlessly tedious that it's bordering on the "leave Dissensus forever" because this place is so boring anymore.