oasis split thank fuck for that

[Benny Bunter]

Irish-parented people waving union jacks round are degenerates and should never be granted joint citizenship with the Republic to get their pre-Brexit travel options back

 

[Murphy]

him especially

 

[subvert47]

but the performative nature of making a display of how much you hate them, it's probably worse than liking them really

I've never taken any notice of Oasis (or any Britpop bands) before. It was this reunion hype that made me go and listen to a couple of their albums for the first time ever and I wasn't very impressed. Other people hating on them as well is just funny 😆

 

[shakahislop]

with all this kind of uk guitar thing there's a desperation/defiance thing going on and if you're not in a position where you're desperate there's no way into it. you've got no need for it.

 

[Benny Bunter]

with all this kind of uk guitar thing there's a desperation/defiance thing going on and if you're not in a position where you're desperate there's no way into it. you've got no need for it.

Subvert is 67 years old

 

[IdleRich]

Subvert is 67 years old

Too young for dissensus?

 

[0bleak]

with all this kind of uk guitar thing there's a desperation/defiance thing going on and if you're not in a position where you're desperate there's no way into it. you've got no need for it.

?

There has been tons of popular music that is desperate/defiant from punk to grunge.
granted, I'm not familiar with the music beyond a few hits, but Oasis just seemed like another update to the popular "nursery rhymes for adults" folk and rock song tradition.


I mean, if any word could ever define how I feel, it would be "desperate", so....
Something like this, from one of the most popular albums of 1994, is MUCH more sonically interesting

 

[shakahislop]

?

There has been tons of popular music that is desperate/defiant from punk to grunge.
granted, I'm not familiar with the music beyond a few hits, but Oasis just seemed like another update to the popular "nursery rhymes for adults" folk and rock song tradition.


I mean, if any word could ever define how I feel, it would be "desperate", so....
Something like this, from one of the most popular albums of 1994, is MUCH more sonically interesting

yeah. there's loads of other stuff obviously. what i'm getting at is that there's a whole lineage of uk guitar music in the oasis mold which is beloved by chunk of people in the uk, which i think is because there's a widespread emotional need for it. i don't think much of it is very good myself. oasis are on the swaggery defiant end of that spectrum. but it all comes out of a sense of things being shit, difficult and depressing. the fact that there's an audience for this kind of music is a consequence of people's circumstances. obviously there's no way to prove any of this. but that is what i've experienced myself and it's what i see in other people.

 

[Corpsey]

Speaking of punk, I've not really clocked this before but Liam does sound a bit Johnny rottenish doesn't he. It's probably obvious, hence there being loads of articles on Google about it...

John Lydon explains why Liam Gallagher is nothing like him

In an interview, John Lydon debunked Liam Gallaghers claim that he was the reincarnation of John Lennon and Johnny Rotten in classic punk style.

faroutmagazine.co.uk

 

[Murphy]

yeah. there's loads of other stuff obviously. what i'm getting at is that there's a whole lineage of uk guitar music in the oasis mold which is beloved by chunk of people in the uk, which i think is because there's a widespread emotional need for it. i don't think much of it is very good myself. oasis are on the swaggery defiant end of that spectrum. but it all comes out of a sense of things being shit, difficult and depressing. the fact that there's an audience for this kind of music is a consequence of people's circumstances. obviously there's no way to prove any of this. but that is what i've experienced myself and it's what i see in other people.

Grim Britannia convergence point reached

 

[Corpsey]

yeah. there's loads of other stuff obviously. what i'm getting at is that there's a whole lineage of uk guitar music in the oasis mold which is beloved by chunk of people in the uk, which i think is because there's a widespread emotional need for it. i don't think much of it is very good myself. oasis are on the swaggery defiant end of that spectrum. but it all comes out of a sense of things being shit, difficult and depressing.

There is a sense, esp on the first album, of living like a hero when you're from a shithole, "tonight I'm a rock n roll star", "you can live for a lifetime, to spend your days in the sunshine, you're better off doing the white line", etc.

And that feeling of "maybe I just wanna fly", "we'll see things they'll never see, you and I are Gonna live forever" which doesn't register as a love song to me it's almost akin to that weekend warrior mentality of ravers, that thing of life is shit and humdrum from Monday to Friday and then you get to temporarily forget it all. Rock n Roll as a passport to glamour.

 

[shakahislop]

editors are a prime example of this and they were massive here. they were on the radio. a hundred thousand people having their struggles distilled and made to sound dramatic. tens of thousands of men showing up at arenas for catharsis. people crying in their cars on the A34.

 

[shakahislop]

And that feeling of "maybe I just wanna fly", "we'll see things they'll never see, you and I are Gonna live forever" which doesn't register as a love song to me it's almost akin to that weekend warrior mentality of ravers, that thing of life is shit and humdrum from Monday to Friday and then you get to temporarily forget it all. Rock n Roll as a passport to glamour.

it's been comprehensively dismantled now but in england in the 00s the rock star dream was alive and well. all the money and girls you could want. you don't need to work. you can just swagger around. you can be drunk all the time. the idea was transmitted for 40 years. it was the popular fantasy for men of all ages. it's everywhere in the first couple of oasis albums and that's how the Gallaghers still act. all of that has had the shit kicked out of it. they're a throwback to an old archetype.

 

[Corpsey]

Even when they first were swaggering around I seem to remember them complaining about how there were no "proper" rock stars around anymore. Which was definitely the ideal of someone who doesn't give a shit. And in the most nihilistic, depressing way imaginable.

Ironically, given Noel's famous disdain for jay-z at glastonbury, rap stars (/drill/grime stars) are presumably the modern musical equivalent as far as the kidz are concerned. That or streamers.

 

[0bleak]

There is a sense, esp on the first album, of living like a hero when you're from a shithole, "tonight I'm a rock n roll star", "you can live for a lifetime, to spend your days in the sunshine, you're better off doing the white line", etc.

And that feeling of "maybe I just wanna fly", "we'll see things they'll never see, you and I are Gonna live forever" which doesn't register as a love song to me it's almost akin to that weekend warrior mentality of ravers, that thing of life is shit and humdrum from Monday to Friday and then you get to temporarily forget it all. Rock n Roll as a passport to glamour.

I guess that's why I'm having a hard time seeing it as desperate, but more like kind of neutral if even optimistic.

 

[subvert47]

with all this kind of uk guitar thing there's a desperation/defiance thing going on and if you're not in a position where you're desperate there's no way into it. you've got no need for it.

That's giving the music too much merit. Put more simply: Everyone likes the guitar bands they grew up with. It doesn't mean they're any good.

 

[subvert47]

Subvert is 67 years old

Not quite. But not all that far off 😘

 

[Benny Bunter]

Speaking of punk, I've not really clocked this before but Liam does sound a bit Johnny rottenish doesn't he. It's probably obvious, hence there being loads of articles on Google about it...

John Lydon explains why Liam Gallagher is nothing like him

In an interview, John Lydon debunked Liam Gallaghers claim that he was the reincarnation of John Lennon and Johnny Rotten in classic punk style.

faroutmagazine.co.uk

Cmon corpse it's the most obvious thing in the world. Lydon/Lennon. Dialectical

 

[Benny Bunter]

I hated them for ages till I reconnected with definitely maybe a few years ago. They were so embarrassing for so long but that first album was just a special moment in time and will live forever. There's no need to actually listen to it anymore and I never do.

 

[shakahislop]

That's giving the music too much merit. Put more simply: Everyone likes the guitar bands they grew up with. It doesn't mean they're any good.

yeah but i'm not saying anything about good vs not good. coz i don't really see music in that way. i see it in terms of the assemblage / the machine. i'm describing rather than a value judgement. there's much more to say i think about something like oasis if you approach it like that. or in other words i get something out of thinking about it in that way.