Burial "Untrue"

[noel emits]

I don't think people discuss it to "grass" on their mates (sorry ,unfamiliar with the term grass, not a native english speaker, assuming it means telling on/ratting out?). I just think with sample based music people like to discuss samples, seems like just one side of the music that people might want to talk about.

No I get what you're saying. Yes, grass means to rat. It's not exactly that, it's more about something being overheard so to speak. Posting explicit details about samples on dubstepforum is about as incautious as you can get. Just seems inconsiderate of the interests of an artist and label that people supposedly like.

Maybe there is little chance of there being any problem. I really hope so. It's just a cruel irony now that while this record has real potential to cross into all kinds of other areas, doing that will just make it more visible and more of a lucrative target.

 

[baboon2004]

I didn't really like Massive Attack at the time, but i think they were a quality act all the same. Unfortunately their music became tarnished by what they came to represent by its ubiquity. Like, I forget the name of the song (not sure if it's the one with Liz Frazer but it starts with a very distinctive snare snap - sampled it myself ha ha) but I'm still hearing that used extremely lazily by TV program makers.

I remember watching Big Brother once, slightly caned and sensitized to The Horror, and the big black guy Victor asked mental Scot Lyn (is that right?) what kind of music she was into. As her face creased into an expression that suggested her brain was sub-consciously sifting through hundreds of micro-options based on the image of herself she wished to project, I lurched forward in my seat and spat "Massive Attack!" at the screen, and sure enough that's what she said. I remember my girllfriend being resolutely unimpressed by this soothsaying hipster vibesmanship, but fuckit, they are that kind of band aren't they? Regular consumers can buy a little bit of a cool along with the CD...

I think you've got it spot on. They were a great band, but 'Protection' in particular for ruined by a ubiquity/'song-of-the-zeitgeist' thing that few other songs have achieved. I still love Blue Lines above most albums I have.

Re. BB - Victor said some fucking funny things: "I'm the slick-man , rapper slash part-time hitman".

 

[simon silverdollar]

i think Victor lives down acre lane in brixton- i've seen him there quite a few times. i'll ask him to spit his 'hit man' bars next time...

 

[tox]

I think you've got it spot on. They were a great band, but 'Protection' in particular for ruined by a ubiquity/'song-of-the-zeitgeist' thing that few other songs have achieved. I still love Blue Lines above most albums I have.

Re. BB - Victor said some fucking funny things: "I'm the slick-man , rapper slash part-time hitman".

I love Massive Attack. Mezzanine came out when I was 12, I purchased it off the back of seeing the Teardrop video and that got me into a fair whack of the electronic music I like today. 100 Windows wasn't too shabby either if you take it on a minimal glassy tip. And that newer tune with Terry Callier's niiice.

As for Burial: Any news on the Chantelle sample?

Re. BB - "I'm the slick-man, V.I.C., ghetto V.I.P., cross me I leave you R.I.P.!"

 

[Alfons]

No I get what you're saying. Yes, grass means to rat. It's not exactly that, it's more about something being overheard so to speak. Posting explicit details about samples on dubstepforum is about as incautious as you can get. Just seems inconsiderate of the interests of an artist and label that people supposedly like.

Maybe there is little chance of there being any problem. I really hope so. It's just a cruel irony now that while this record has real potential to cross into all kinds of other areas, doing that will just make it more visible and more of a lucrative target.

True and true. I can see the arguments for both sides, I just meant to point out that in the end it's the producer who used the samples and the producer/label which didn't clear them, so it's hardly the fault of people discussing the samples. But I can definitely see the point in not wanting to make it explicit or having it discussed at great length and I don't want to rat Burial out either.

On another note I don't see this crossing over in a massive attack sort of way nor being used it ads etc. We'll see.

 

[baboon2004]

i think Victor lives down acre lane in brixton- i've seen him there quite a few times. i'll ask him to spit his 'hit man' bars next time...

Wow! I live just round the corner from Victor. How cool is that?

"What the fuck? You don't walk in on a gangsta when he's on the toilet!"

 

[bassnation]

I think you've got it spot on. They were a great band, but 'Protection' in particular for ruined by a ubiquity/'song-of-the-zeitgeist' thing that few other songs have achieved. I still love Blue Lines above most albums I have.

Re. BB - Victor said some fucking funny things: "I'm the slick-man , rapper slash part-time hitman".

i find it difficult to get my head round this view; surely music is either good or shit. who cares whether its popular or not? why does this have any bearing? protection is a great album. spying glass, karmacoma etc - all still stand the test of time.

 

[Bettysnake]

That nice Mister Graveyard

I was playing this last night and mi pal came in and she said
"oh is this mister graveyard"

I like the album but it is kinda Emostep....

 

[bassnation]

I was playing this last night and mi pal came in and she said
"oh is this mister graveyard"

I like the album but it is kinda Emostep....

my ex used to call dubstep "goth techno".

 

[hucks]

not sure that's Chan. can you prove it?

Turns out it's not. It's someone talking about Asher D(!)'s character in Bullet Boy

http://www.bulletboy.net/castcrew/

Third person down - someone on Dubstep forum googled the quote...

 

[noel emits]

I have the same feelings about Untrue as I do about Super Mario Galaxy. Comes on a disc, promises and delivers entertainment, goes great with drugs, triggers nostalgia, etc.

You know I've just watched a clip of Mario Galaxy on youtube and I'd have to say that they're not really similar in tone at all are they? Wolf Eyes play the orchestral works of Frank Zappa on a monosodium glutomate comedown might be a closer point of reference?

 

[mos dan]

i think Victor lives down acre lane in brixton- i've seen him there quite a few times. i'll ask him to spit his 'hit man' bars next time...

i've seen him once in balham iceland (now an organic supermarket), once on balham station platform. keep the sightings coming in kids!

this burial sample stuff is interesting/concerning. where was i reading someone's theory that there is a 'plot arc' to the album (about a failing relationship).. was that here?

 

[noel emits]

where was i reading someone's theory that there is a 'plot arc' to the album (about a failing relationship).. was that here?

It was someone at dubstepforum. As if anyone here would come up with such a fanciful reading of a record. :slanted:

 

[nomadologist]

or linear and boring! j/k

the songs are very OBVIOUSLY about unrequited love/cheating/failed relationships. and?

 

[Benny Bunter]

It was someone at dubstepforum. As if anyone here would come up with such a fanciful reading of a record. :slanted:

Lol!

Seriously though, I kind of like it when people start to project their own fanciful notions on to a record they love, however dubious. As daft as the 'plot arc' thing sounds, next time I hear it I'll probably be listening out for it!

 

[noel emits]

or linear and boring! j/k

the songs are very OBVIOUSLY about unrequited love/cheating/failed relationships. and?

The first album more so though - Gutted, You Hurt Me, Wounder, Broken Home...
With this it's more a general theme of loss - lost times, lost possibilities no? Well not quite loss, there's hope there.

Heh, let's not get started.

 

[nomadologist]

You could be right. Heh.

Is "Broken Home" possibly a shout out to Tricky's wonderful song "Broken Homes"?

 

[bassnation]

You could be right. Heh.

Is "Broken Home" possibly a shout out to Tricky's wonderful song "Broken Homes"?

no, its a reference to one of burials favourite films, kramer vs kramer. theres also a hauntological bent because obviously that film was made before burial was born,therefore its a past that he doesn't remember. or something. i'm sure i read this in an interview somewhere.

 

[Benny Bunter]

Surely just about every young person nowadays is into music and films that were made before they were born? Not sure about the significance of this, but it doesn't really reveal anything particularly insightful about burial. Anyone know which interview this was from?

 

[mos dan]

no, its a reference to one of burials favourite films, kramer vs kramer. theres also a hauntological bent because obviously that film was made before burial was born,therefore its a past that he doesn't remember. or something. i'm sure i read this in an interview somewhere.

lol... and of course you know what 'dog shelter' was inspired by:

now that is haunting.