sometimes great and influential artists/people aren't always very nice people, ike being a case in point. his guitar work with otis rush back in the late 1950s still rocks.
Even those Dissensians who may have met any of these guys can't claim to know them, so why are some people immune from criticism...?
No one's said anybody is immune from criticism- it's just thought tasteful to concentrate on the positive things about someone's life immediately after they've died.
its pitiful that many of his obits (if theyre like the one in the london paper at least) are only going to be about what he did to tina turner
its pitiful that many of his obits (if theyre like the one in the london paper at least) are only going to be about what he did to tina turner and not even mention the great records they made together or what a good guitarist/musician/bandleader he was.
poor ike - he signed any rights he had over how he was depicted to the film makers of the tina turner biopic and gave them complete control for some reason. hope he got paid well for that at least, even if it totally ruined his reputation.
poor ike - he signed any rights he had over how he was depicted to the film makers of the tina turner biopic and gave them complete control for some reason. hope he got paid well for that at least, even if it totally ruined his reputation.
Exactly.didn't he ruin his own reputation by beating her?
Very well said.look. I can see why people here don't want obituaries to focus solely on his abusive violence towards Tina. I'm not so bothered myself, because it so rarely happens that wife-beating is considered to be a part of someone's identity, even if it apparently was. The fact that James Brown and others get a pass on it is not an argument for giving everyone a pass for it in my book.
It doesn't make his artistic contribution any less, but I don't buy the "speak no ill of the dead" -- often an obituary deals with the totality of someone's life and their effect on society (if they are a cultural figure) or on their community. While he was beating Tina, it didn't seem to hurt his career much. That is a meaningful fact about American society in the 1960s anyway, and his role in it. The fact that later it became less acceptable to beat your wife, well yeah, it sucks for his reputation I guess. But I don't feel too bad about it.
Not that I’m excusing what he did to Tina, assuming what was depicted in the awesome film What’s Love Got to Do With It? was true - which, for all we know, it might no be. I don’t condone beating the shit out of a woman, unless you absolutely have to.