Yeah, we're well on the same page.
The two scenes did converge heavily, even while maintaining some kind of weird hostility and sense of distance. It's fun to trace the cross-polination, like side B of My Way > EyeHateGod, Grief and Southern Sludge and crusty Doom and even some later Pantera. Or GBH > Bathory and Darkthrone and therefore basically the whole of Black Metal, despite the sort of ostensible hostility most BMers direct at punk. The development of Thrash is unimaginable without fast ass punk. Even the subject matter of lyrics became more 'real-world', less wizards and orcs, everyone starts wearing high-tops...
Fuck the lot of 'em though -- scenes are for dicks.
Been trying to think of my top 20 h/c records. Not in an canonical sense, just my favourite ones from when I was younger. So far I've got,
Union of Uranus -- Double 7" (one of my favourite ever records)
Spazz side of the Spazz/Toast split 7" on HG Fact
Ice Nine 7"
His Hero Is gone -- 15 Counts of Arson
Integrity -- ...and for those who still fear tomorrow
Good point about Amebix, btw. What about Sarcofago and Blasphemy? Pure punk!
yeah the B-side of My War prodates the first Trouble LP, which i always thought of as a Doom metal signpost, but i admit to only having a real surface knowledge with that stuff... re: later Pantera, have you seen Phil Anselmo's scenes in the American Hardcore documentary? all smacked out and talking LOOOOOW and SLOOOW about how POWERFUL Black Flag was with Rollins... (i mean, I agree, but there is always something about Rollins worship that gets gay real quick...)
good point about Punk influence bringing in street fashion and reality lyrics into metal, but sticklers could trace the fashion back thru the Denim and Leather schoool of metal... the blue jean brigades... but there is np doubt that for all their protesting to the contrary the "street metal" vibe of bands like Iron Maiden (early) WAS punk influenced...
Been trying to think of my top 20 h/c records. Not in an canonical sense, just my favourite ones from when I was younger. So far I've got,
Union of Uranus -- Double 7" (one of my favourite ever records)
Great American Steak Religion
Yeah got the Ottawa/Jihad split (different label though?), Shotmaker, Uranus, One Eyed God Prophecy (fucking mint!), 400 Years... GASR: Great label.
Union of Uranus -- Double 7" (one of my favourite ever records)
Spazz side of the Spazz/Toast split 7" on HG Fact
Ice Nine 7"
His Hero Is gone -- 15 Counts of Arson
Integrity -- ...and for those who still fear tomorrow
Feel like I ought to have something from San Diego on there as well, but I'm not sure what.
Been trying to think of my top 20 h/c records. Not in an canonical sense, just my favourite ones from when I was younger. So far I've got,
Union of Uranus -- Double 7" (one of my favourite ever records)
Spazz side of the Spazz/Toast split 7" on HG Fact
Ice Nine 7"
His Hero Is gone -- 15 Counts of Arson
Integrity -- ...and for those who still fear tomorrow
Has anyone mentioned Bolt Thrower, yet? If we can include Autopsy (and let's stick in some Abscess as well) they would definitely qualify. Thinking especially from "In Battle There Is No Law" to "Realms of Chaos".
Also no mention of Rudimentary Peni yet? How about "The EP's of RP"?
Union of Uranus was pretty great too. In the same vein, if anyone's interested, check out One Eyed God Prophecy and Ire (who I think shared members w/U of U) - those bands out of Eastern Canada in the mid-late 90s had a really distinctive sound. Anyway, a few favorites off the top of my head...
Quebec had a great scene. Germany also had some sick Rorschach worshipping chaos: Systral, Morser, Carol, Ambush, Acme, Dawnbreed...