sadmanbarty
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luka in a white suit with padraig at 55 seconds in.
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All good music returns us to the religious impulse...
To believe there is something significant and ordered about the universe and our place in and perspective of it.
I have to get Yeats into every thread don't I? So here's a quote:
Even when the poet seems most himself…he is never the bundle of accident and incoherence that sits down to breakfast; he has been reborn as an idea, something intended, complete.
William Butler Yeats
I disagree. Reductionist in a way which offends my sensibilities.
How is it reductionist? historically Yahweh was one of the Gods during the biblical times, not the only god.
any deity you don't believe in, you acknowledge to be the product of human ingenuity
Making God(s) into creations of the imaginations of humans is ultimately a pessimism and a disregard to those who are in possession of the ability (and chose) to find faith in that imagery, and I'm saying this as someone who's incredibly spiritually divorced and thus sort of align myself into Atheism less as a stance. There is a contemptuousness in Atheism because you cannot or refuse do have that sense of faith/trust and relinquish control to an 'unknown'. Padraig, without intending this as a jab at you, I think Luka objects to what you may see as rationalism or practicality because it feels greatly reductive to the mindset and activity of belief. It's something while I'm more aligned to I find a distaste for as I get older because it often lines into deflections with irony, placing your trust instead in 'smarter men who see through the mystique' or a self-assuredness that ignores the things that are inherently beyond our perception. This isn't to say you yourself intend or even demonstrate these attributes, but it underlines and undermines things with a certain dimension of pessimism that perhaps works against the spirit of the conversation.
Anyway, re: the blissblogger analogies on Gospel, I find them to be wholly inaccurate because Gospel is where 90% of the moments of Soul of worth are grafted from and while the structure is much more orthodox, it's about the failure to be contained within the orthodoxy. There's also the element of the fact that listening to old gospel recordings, which are done for the sake of documentation and not the actual experience of sermon/testimonial are NOT going to do the task of the music when made in the moment of testimonial and communal experience. Gospel isn't always an inherently religious music the way Luka describes, but it has Terms to commit to and by refusing to commit to them you miss the point entirely. It's like that thing where I believe it was Stockhausen was forced to listen to a bunch of IDM records and kept complaining about the 'post-African repetitive percussion', failing to consider that he needs to think of it less as compositional music the way he'd make but as body music. You ignore the terms of engagement you're almost bound to miss the point.
What's that got to do with anything?
What is a god?
A god is an eternal state of mind
When is god manifest?
When the states of mind take form.
When does a man become a god?
When he enters one of these states of mind.”
What I am suggesting is that the gods have an underlying reality. The concept is not woven from thin air but has always been a marker for something real. This is what Pound meant when he said the gods are eternal states of mind. Something encountered and named not something invented wholesale.