so there is at least one aspect where he is dissimilar to a showroom dummyTo give Starmer his due, he allegedly likes a takeaway curry, I’ll give him that.
I dunno, not all opposition leaders have the same mission. i always assumed JC was a placeholder, perhaps with the benefit of dispelling some blairite /new lab phantoms, resetting the party's path somewhat, maybe, broadening the appeal, and that he would be moved gently but deftly aside for an young and electable woman at the correct strategic moment.I don't buy the "unelectable" tag. It feels like a self-fulfilling prophecy made by the press.
ha, thanks 😊Thanks Hucks, I am both being deliberately irritating about this and not.
I agree. He’s been disappointing on almost every levelBasically this isn't an exciting victory for Starmer. Thus far, he does not seem to have ignited the electorate in the way that some people assured us he would.
I think they’re less screwed than they were in 2019 but largely that’s not down to themSo my current analaysis is that Labour remain screwed.
Class traitor!I inadvertently lent the Labour candidates in my ward a phone charger. So in spite of myself I am supporting Sir Kieier’s efforts by dint of being neighbourly and community minded.
Have felt for a long time that a hung Parliament is more likely than a Labour majority/landslide
I think it's mostly manufactured and that Starmer's "electability" was talked up precisely because of the decision to brand Corbyn "unelectable".But is precisely Starmer’s “electability” which was his selling point. So there must be something in it surely?
Either there is a scale of electability or there isn’t?
I'd always assumed the SNP would be dead against PR since they're by far the biggest beneficiaries of FPTP, but I found out recently they actually support PR, which is quite admirable, I think.I hope it is. And that the other parties insist on PR as a prerequisite for cooperation.
The claims of unelectability were already being made beforehand though. This is my point. The establishment declare someone unelectable, do their best to make sure they lose and then claim they were right all along if they do.Corbyn didnt win an election. You don't have to brand him as anything, thats how it goes
Well where's the fun in that? Honestly!The results seem too mixed for me to argue about at the moment so your Centrist baiting will have to wait.
The claims of unelectability were already being made beforehand though. This is my point. The establishment declare someone unelectable, do their best to make sure they lose and then claim they were right all along if they do.
I don't think they're the only reason, but I think they're a major factor. The media are most people's primary window into national politics and play a big part in shaping all sorts of narratives and attitudes.If you think the reason Corbyn didnt get in was the media establishment then you are quite naive to the realities of this country i think. Not trying to get personal, apologies, but no
Right, and the Tory rags have been hammering this garbage "beergate/currygate" non-story for weeks, haven't they? With the exception of the Murdoch papers' dalliance with Blair, none of those papers has ever been anything but hostile to any Labour leaders.I don't think they're the only reason, but I think they're a major factor. The media are most people's primary window into national politics and play a big part in shaping all sorts of narratives and attitudes.