rolling back to the future garage/post-dubstep/alt-funkstep/intelli-2step etc thread

Judging from the previews, the Kuedo album is absolutely fantastic. Basically sounds like a collab between Vangelis and Aarab Muzik. Love it.

http://www.planet.mu/discography/ZIQ309

Yeah, saw that too. Bigup gee.

Road Rap took over really

Wondering about the influence american hip-hop/RNB has on UK hardcore/'nuum/road styles... Fair to say that jungle was hugely influenced by hip-hop (use of breaks). UK garage of course came from US garage but also Timbaland's rhythms/slinkiness. And grime (WOULD it be fair to say?) was influenced by crunk - certainly ''Boy In Da Corner'' has very crunk-ish moments. UK funky wasn't really influenced by hip-hop, more US house... And now there's Road Rap, which is a 'straight' lift of American hip-hop styles.

The UK 'urban' scene generally takes its cues from the US - even the trance-grime that has exploded in the charts is basically a slightly reworked imitation of anyone from Black Eyed Peas to Akon/T-Pain etc., innit?

Is there a big lex luger influence in Road Rap slackkk? Seems to me that that 'trap' style - pounding 808s, machine-gun hi hats, ominous synths etc. - could be translated into a dance style, or at least have an influence on it (or would it just amount to a break-less form of dark jungle?).

Nowadays you'd expect that influence to filter down to a couple of tunes by a 'post=dubstep'' producer, create a tiny off-shoot etc. Back to the idea that there's no cohesion or concentration of style in the post-dubstep scene/world. Is this true? I saw a DJ recently playing what I assume to be Swamp 81/influenced bits, and there was a fairly cohesive and consistent sound (seemed a bit boring to me, mind you dubstep probably seemed incredibly boring to most people).

In that EL-B video he said every rapper in south London had passed though his studio and every one was doing hiphop, that was three years ago I think. Logical progression from Grime I suppose but if funky is the dancefloor end of things, that's the one I'll watch.


Who are the Djs to watch in road rap or is it completely mc lead.
Is there a Slimzee?

Corpsey said:

Nowadays you'd expect that influence to filter down to a couple of tunes by a 'post=dubstep'' producer, create a tiny off-shoot etc. Back to the idea that there's no cohesion or concentration of style in the post-dubstep scene/world. Is this true? I saw a DJ recently playing what I assume to be Swamp 81/influenced bits, and there was a fairly cohesive and consistent sound (seemed a bit boring to me, mind you dubstep probably seemed incredibly boring to most people).

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Loefah/Swamp 81 is definitely one of the only DJ's/labels to have properly cohesive sets/releases. I think thats what appeals to some people but also why other people find that whole thing quite boring.

Corpsey said:

Nowadays you'd expect that influence to filter down to a couple of tunes by a 'post=dubstep'' producer,

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Girl Unit, Zomby, Lunice & Kuedo have done vaguely trap influenced stuff. people tend to read such patterns as being derived from dubstep tho, following their expectations. lots of similar people are playing luger and araabmuzik productions in their sets, it is exerting influence.

There's a huge trap influence in road rap. its worth stating that that 808 hat rush style existed for a long while pre luger. he just became the most famous and influential exponent of it.

SX sounds the most trap influenced to me

funny cos kids round here into the latest trap-influenced post-dubstep whatever think the influence comes from El-B for some reason

but then again there are a lot of DJ's round these parts that play a load of future garage yet hate anything with a hint of champagne to it or with a vocal which isn't Blakerised, which is immensely frustrating, being faced with a wall of po-faced faux-garage rip offs every time I go out

yep was going to say S-X except he actually defines himself as a hiphop producer afaik

daddek said:

There's a huge trap influence in road rap. its worth stating that that 808 hat rush style existed for a long while pre luger. he just became the most famous and influential exponent of it.

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I'd like to know how/when/who-through it came about. I assume ppl like Shawty Redd, Zaytoven and earlier ppl like Mannie Fresh...? Was Lex's innovation (if any) to strip away the more prominent layers of synth melody/harmony that you get in, say, Shawty Redd's beats for Young Jeezy? Or played up the heavy-metal bombast of it?

oh i cant be categorical about it you'd probably know more about the production credits than me. but that 808 trap style has been around for years hasnt it, yeh like shawty redd gucci mane productions.
lex's signature trap style was the dense snare rush fills and the overall doom intensity.. super fast snare rushes and doomy-strings had all been done before but lex came to own those devices as his, by doing them so well, and repeating that formula unfailingly.

bandshell said:

Judging from the previews, the Kuedo album is absolutely fantastic. Basically sounds like a collab between Vangelis and Aarab Muzik. Love it.

http://www.planet.mu/discography/ZIQ309

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Couldn't agree more, this one is going to be a stunner.

I'm sure the main thing Lex brought to the table (which has been discussed on here) is the uber-clipping, obviously drum distortion has been used before but not in this context (as far as I am aware)

wtf is "TRAP"?

trance rap?

dirty south beats

yeh although some people would use it more broadly to include non-atlanta coke rap like clipse or dipset.