This is not really true. I, and many others, thought the Adele remix was great. But you could tell people were rolling out Far Nearer as like the beginning of the new world when to clear eyes it surely wasn't. Good luck to the guy and competing with pop music and I hope he makes another good tune like the Adele one.
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This is not really true. I, and many others, thought the Adele remix was great. But you could tell people were rolling out Far Nearer as like the beginning of the new world when to clear eyes it surely wasn't. Good luck to the guy and competing with pop music and I hope he makes another good tune like the Adele one.
I think the Adele remix is decent too, definitely good pop remix. Just saying as Tom Lea pointed out the aim of his tunes isn't really to please the likes of most people on this forum so I doubt the slating of Far Nearer would really bother him. Kind of the same way Dizzee Rascal would just laugh off hate from the grime scene nowadays (slightly different idea i know but you see what I mean?).
Also for the record I totally rinsed the "NY is Killing Me" remix when it first came out.
bandshell
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I don't see what him being bothered by it has to do with it.
I don't think the point of people discussing this is to "bother" Mr. XX.
FairiesWearBoots
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fwiw jam city's ecstasy remix does it a 1000% better. shame that aint easier to get : ([/QUOTE]
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(I was one of the lucky ones on that 12")
on an un-related note:
does anyone else lament the lack of jazz in much of this stuff??
been thinking about this recently - some of favourite tracks over the years have been when the producer has brought together jazz sounds (and some of the freestyle aspect)
and put it together with tuff rhythms - great brass & organ chords/melodies with great breaks & bass
some obvious notable examples:
Pete Rock & Premier beats
Photek
El-B
I think Falty DL does this really well and his tracks sound, hmm sophisticated? (bad choice of words) but they bump and just give me a special feeling
even some of the funky i have heard recently has been very 'ravey' sounding and this has kinda put me off
anyone else feenin' jazz&bass?
fwiw jam city's ecstasy remix does it a 1000% better. shame that aint easier to get : ([/QUOTE]
truth
(I was one of the lucky ones on that 12")
on an un-related note:
does anyone else lament the lack of jazz in much of this stuff??
been thinking about this recently - some of favourite tracks over the years have been when the producer has brought together jazz sounds (and some of the freestyle aspect)
and put it together with tuff rhythms - great brass & organ chords/melodies with great breaks & bass
some obvious notable examples:
Pete Rock & Premier beats
Photek
El-B
I think Falty DL does this really well and his tracks sound, hmm sophisticated? (bad choice of words) but they bump and just give me a special feeling
even some of the funky i have heard recently has been very 'ravey' sounding and this has kinda put me off
anyone else feenin' jazz&bass?
Tentative Andy
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^ Alex Nut and the Eglo stuff I often associate with jazzy vibes. It's not my favorite stuff in the world but I enjoy listening to his Rinse show every so often.
Edit: so artist/producer wise I guess that would mean folks like Mizz Beats, Fatima, Floating Points, Funkineven. Some things by people like Sbtrkt, Shy One, Jessie Ware, Sampha I often put together with them in my head, they've got a similar feel. I guess only a certain amount of their output explicitly uses elements from jazz, but they've got those kind of vibes you're describing - laid-back, bumpy, somewhat sophisticated, colour/texture and some acoustic/live instrument feel at times. I sometimes find similar kind of vibes in the stuff the Anti-Social guys do, but I'm sure you know them already.
Sorry for the lists, just typing off the top of my head here.
Edit edit: Basically I guess I'm thinking of the folks who do 'live PA' sort of sets at Boiler Room (and that's not meant as a par before anyone starts...).
Edit: so artist/producer wise I guess that would mean folks like Mizz Beats, Fatima, Floating Points, Funkineven. Some things by people like Sbtrkt, Shy One, Jessie Ware, Sampha I often put together with them in my head, they've got a similar feel. I guess only a certain amount of their output explicitly uses elements from jazz, but they've got those kind of vibes you're describing - laid-back, bumpy, somewhat sophisticated, colour/texture and some acoustic/live instrument feel at times. I sometimes find similar kind of vibes in the stuff the Anti-Social guys do, but I'm sure you know them already.
Sorry for the lists, just typing off the top of my head here.
Edit edit: Basically I guess I'm thinking of the folks who do 'live PA' sort of sets at Boiler Room (and that's not meant as a par before anyone starts...).
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Slothrop
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RUN AWAY!!!
e/y
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NY Is Killing Me is great. didn't like the Adele remix, but then I don't like Adele. the more I listened to clips of the Numbers single, the more I disliked it.
re. James Blake / real songwriter ... I don't know what a real songwriter really is (as in, don't know about music really to make that judgement / distinction), but from a purely personal POV, that repeated line in I Never Learnt To Share gets me every time. sure, it's not the height of lyrical sophistication, but emotionally I respond to it very strongly...fwiw.
re. James Blake / real songwriter ... I don't know what a real songwriter really is (as in, don't know about music really to make that judgement / distinction), but from a purely personal POV, that repeated line in I Never Learnt To Share gets me every time. sure, it's not the height of lyrical sophistication, but emotionally I respond to it very strongly...fwiw.
Vibezin production showcase for XLR8R http://www.xlr8r.com/news/2011/06/vibezin-drops-exclusive-free-mix
Benny Bunter
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rather predictably I like the Rashad and Earl remix the best.
Benny Bunter
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Only jazzy things in Funky that I've heard and liked have been 'AC Riddim' by Gugu and maybe some of Ossie's stuff. I'm not completely opposed to jazz influences in funky, but unfortunately it tends to head too much into bland deep house territory. No doubt Broken Beat will get reassessed and revived in a big way at some point, it seems pretty inevitable (probably happening a bit already).
Nah, all meant initially is that he isn't aiming wholly at a "serious" (for want of a better word) dance music audience.
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Slothrop
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To put it another way, the fact that music is partly or wholly derived from dubstep doesn't mean that it has to succeed on the same terms as dubstep to be worthwhile.
I'm not sure I've actually listened to Jamie XX's stuff, so I don't know what if any terms it does succeed on, though.
I'm not sure I've actually listened to Jamie XX's stuff, so I don't know what if any terms it does succeed on, though.
I don't see the link between Eglo and Saphma/SBTRKT really - much prefer the stuff eglo are doing - find SBTRKT very boring tbh
when uk nuum artists attempt "a jazz thing", they tend to produce a stilted british-lad dud of it. Idk why, but it most often sounds like an error. It just doesn't become them somehow. Much in the same way americans tend to be crap at reggae, we're mostly shit at jazz.
one of Falty DL's greatest strengths is that he can capture a pete rock-sampled jazzy vibe. he wears it well. NY could make hardcore music out of jazz touches (hip hop, house) in a way we never could. It's cool to have someone making uk rave music with that vibe.
FairiesWearBoots
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Ha! reading it back now, it does sound a bit wanky,
I'll have to find a better way to describe it "Jazz&bass' was a joke btw
Slothrop
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Daddek on the money with a slightly more nuanced response...
I think that with UK artists, jazz always seems like bolt-on gentrification that doesn't really fit, kind of like musical stone cladding. Perhaps it's because we don't have such a continuum between jazz and dance music as you get in hip hop, so it's harder to bring in 'jazz flava' without just ballsing up the original music.
I think that with UK artists, jazz always seems like bolt-on gentrification that doesn't really fit, kind of like musical stone cladding. Perhaps it's because we don't have such a continuum between jazz and dance music as you get in hip hop, so it's harder to bring in 'jazz flava' without just ballsing up the original music.
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Slothrop
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If by post dubstep / future garage / whatever we mean the stuff that I'm hearing from Oneman, Night Slugs, Dusk and Blackdown, Ben UFO, Swamp 81, Kode 9, Joy Orbison etc then I think characterising them as "deep/"fully experimental"" is off the mark - they seem to be aiming fairly squarely for the middle point - I mean, the whole scene is a mash of grimey basslines with R&B vox, percussive thrust with twinkly pads.
If the scene has a structural weakness, it's probably that it's going rather self-consciously for that middle ground rather than hitting that mix instinctively / organically, so sometimes bits feel rather bolted on - like the female vocal sample doesn't really work but it's got to be there to stop the tune feeling 'too blokey'. And the good bits are very good, because some people are hitting that balance and making great tunes and playing great sets.
It's also why the scene suffers so much from hype - because there are a lot of people ready to get massively overexcited about someone who has an interesting mix of elements and basically fits in with the overall narrative that they want for the music, without paying too much attention to the actual tunes.
If there's going to be a 'backlash' or another genuine nuum moment (and I'm not using 'nuum' to mean 'good' here), then the big difference has got to be that it's a proper friday night scene and not a specialist thing full of people theorising about where the previous scene went wrong and writing blog posts about where things are going...
FairiesWearBoots
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agreed - it wont be on the internet,
thats why I asked if funky has a regular weekly night? somewhere that the sound can incubate and grow, it doesnt look like funky has that yet? like FWD was for dubstep and Blue note was etc
thats why I asked if funky has a regular weekly night? somewhere that the sound can incubate and grow, it doesnt look like funky has that yet? like FWD was for dubstep and Blue note was etc