Are you an owl or a lark?

[grizzleb]

C'mon, I'd expect a reasonabley well considered reposte from you. If I'm talking shite spell it out...

 

[nomadthethird]

foot fetishism

These guys are great. I wish there was one here right now I could use a foot massage.

I knew this one who liked to lick ashes off peoples' feet. Like cigarette ashes. Or soot from the dirty rooftops.

I bet he was an owl, not a lark.

 

[grizzleb]

These guys are great. I wish there was one here right now I could use a foot massage.

Yo I'm into feet, I'll be up for a bit of that, just let me get my outfit on.

 

[nomadthethird]

C'mon, I'd expect a reasonabley well considered reposte from you. If I'm talking shite spell it out...

There's already a thread about porn on dissensus; there about a thousand where people get really upset at me because I don't give much of a damn about partner fidelity or whatever. Sexual property rights, etc. Throw a rock in here and you'll hit a thread with that argument in it.

 

[nomadthethird]

Yo I'm into feet, I'll be up for a bit of that, just let me get my outfit on.

I thought I had seen it all, but NOW I have seen it all.

The breast enlargement pumps are a nice touch.

Cybersex circa 2035

 

[grizzleb]

That's fair enough, but you can see how that what I described isn't actually hypocritical. What happens in your brain is not the same as what happens in the world, so on that basis what we'ver been talking about here isn't hypocrisy, regardless of your opinion on 'sexual property'. Unrelatedly (and without expectation of a response) I'd say that ideas about partner fidelity are ones which stem from emotions, rather than any ideas of trying to own someone...

 

[grizzleb]

I thought I had seen it all, but NOW I have seen it all.

The breast enlargement pumps are a nice touch.

Cybersex circa 2035

The guy has clearly put alot of thought and effort into it, I appreciate that shit, haha.

 

[nomadthethird]

That's fair enough, but you can see how that what I described isn't actually hypocritical. What happens in your brain is not the same as what happens in the world, so on that basis what we'ver been talking about here isn't hypocrisy, regardless of your opinion on 'sexual property'. Unrelatedly (and without expectation of a response) I'd say that ideas about partner fidelity are ones which stem from emotions, rather than any ideas of trying to own someone...

Yup. We all exist as little islands of emotion that don't have any political significance or relevance whatsoever. There isn't a 10,000 year history of patriarchy. Marriage has nothing whatsoever to do with the patrilineal handing-down of property. Nothing about our personal emotions is structured by the history of our culture, or the economics of our daily lives.

What happens in your brain isn't the same as what happens in the world, nope. But survey a few hundred thousand Euro-American men, and you'll see that many of them have some very hypocritical attitudes regarding what's acceptable sexual behavior--they afford men much more latitude than they do women, in fantasy and reality.

Case in point: this thread.

 

[grizzleb]

Yup. We all exist as little islands of emotion that don't have any political significance or relevance whatsoever. There isn't a 10,000 year history of patriarchy. Marriage has nothing whatsoever to do with the patrilineal handing-down of property. Nothing about our personal emotions is structured by the history of our culture, or the economics of our daily lives.

What happens in your brain isn't the same as what happens in the world, nope. But survey a few hundred thousand Euro-American men, and you'll see that many of them have some very hypocritical attitudes regarding what's acceptable sexual behavior--they afford men much more latitude than they do women, in fantasy and reality.

Case in point: this thread.

It's wild. Yeah I accept that our emotions are something which stem from political/social/economic ideas but that doesn't make them bunk or 'wrong'. It's difficult to just try and be as cold as possible in serving some abstract political notion which has less impact on your life than such and such cheating on you does at the time.

This thread? Is that general stab at guys in here who call some issue with you saying that 'men can't love freeakz'? Anyway...

 

[nomadthethird]

Emotions aren't the be all end all of existence. Sometimes it's better not to act on your most immediate emotions. Sometimes it's better to put some of them aside in order to achieve higher goals.

Not that I have some kind of "emotion" about people having a sexuality that doesn't necessarily include me me me all the time. I'm not an infant who thinks Mommy is the center of the universe and I'm a part of her.

This thread? Is that general stab at guys in here who call some issue with you saying that 'men can't love freeakz'? Anyway...

I'm not quite sure what this sentence means, since it's not grammatically structured, but erm no. I meant what I said, which is that this thread has some pretty good examples of how, if you dare suggest that property-holding relationships shouldn't necessarily be the "moral" default, you get the beat down quick.

 

[nomadthethird]

The other case in point I had in mind was when that anti-porn guy brought up the example of the gang bang porn that traumatized him, but then he only seemed to have 'pity' and 'empathy' for the woman in it, as if women suffer from kinky sex but men don't. The men clearly didn't factor into his presumptions about teh badniss of multiple partner sex.

 

[grizzleb]

Emotions aren't the be all end all of existence. Sometimes it's better not to act on your most immediate emotions. Sometimes it's better to put some of them aside in order to achieve higher goals.

Not that I have some kind of "emotion" about people having a sexuality that doesn't necessarily include me me me all the time. I'm not an infant who thinks Mommy is the center of the universe and I'm a part of her.

I think in your world sex would have primacy over emotion then really; multiple partners lacking any attachment. I'm not saying that's wrong I just think thats what it looks like. You may say you can have multiple romantic interests etc, I'm not sure how true it is without involving some level of deceit. Romantic love as a notion is one which is fairly recent historically anyway, what you talk about in patriarchy would have more in common with an arranged marriage system.

I'm not quite sure what this sentence means, since it's not grammatically structured, but erm no. I meant what I said, which is that this thread has some pretty good examples of how, if you dare suggest that property-holding relationships shouldn't necessarily be the "moral" default, you get the beat down quick.

To be fair it was just a missing word. Anyway, you know what i meant hahaha.

 

[grizzleb]

The other case in point I had in mind was when that anti-porn guy brought up the example of the gang bang porn that traumatized him, but then he only seemed to have 'pity' and 'empathy' for the woman in it, as if women suffer from kinky sex but men don't. The men clearly didn't factor into his presumptions about teh badniss of multiple partner sex.

That's fair enough.

 

[nomadthethird]

I think in your world sex would have primacy over emotion then really, if multiple partners lacking any attachment. I'm not saying that's wrong I just think thats what it looks like. You may say you can have multiple romantic interests etc, I'm not sure how true it is without involving some level of deceit. Romantic love as a notion is one which is fairly recent historically anyway, what you talk about in patriarchy would have more in common with an arranged marriage system.
To be fair it was just a missing word. Anyway, you know what i meant hahaha.

What world do you people live in?

Where I live, people have sex with (it's called "hooking up" usually) all kinds of people, often more than one simultaneously. They sort of have parallel hook ups that develop at different rates. And I'm talking about the super vanilla straights, here, not the fetishists.

 

[grizzleb]

What world do you people live in?

Where I live, people have sex with (it's called "hooking up" usually) all kinds of people, often more than one simultaneously. They sort of have parallel hook ups that develop at different rates. And I'm talking about the super vanilla straights, here, not the fetishists.

We weren't talking about casual relationships though really were we? You move the argument sideways quite a lot.

 

[nomadthethird]

We weren't talking about casual relationships though really were we? You move the argument sideways quite a lot.

Oh, I forgot. Relationships deal in absolutes. Like the Kelvin scale.

 

[scottdisco]

owl.

my 'initiation', if you will, was of one german girl with a number (5ish) of men - one in this hole, one in the other, etc , etc. after a few minutes the female noticeaby passes out, the 'film' jumps and then they're straight back into it.

nice.

for someone who sincerely dislikes porn, it sounds like you've watched enough of it...

 

[Mr. Tea]

Oh, I forgot. Relationships deal in absolutes. Like the Kelvin scale.

Oh come on, that's lame - you're never slow to jump on zhao or whoever for changing the parameters of a debate or making sloppy arguments. There's clealy a distinction between the kind of thing you're talking and what most people mean when they talk about a 'relationship' - even if it's perhaps a difference in degree.

 

[nomadthethird]

Oh come on, that's lame - you're never slow to jump on zhao or whoever for changing the parameters of a debate or making sloppy arguments. There's clealy a distinction between the kind of thing you're talking and what most people mean when they talk about a 'relationship' - even if it's perhaps a difference in degree.

Show me where I changed anything's parameters...

I don't think there's actually a difference. People just wish there was.

There's a difference like there's a heaven.

 

[Mr. Tea]

Sigh...I guess there mustn't be a difference, if you say so. Silly me.