UK GENERAL ELECTION THURSDAY MAY 6th 2010

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baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
No-one's asked the real question here - how can the Tories be so rubbish as to be 13 years in opposition and STILL not win against an ailing government in a financial crisis? It's Labour in 1992 again (except they did even worse, of course). Shocking indictment of their ability to, well, do anything.
 
grizzleb

grizzleb

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baboon2004 said:
No-one's asked the real question here - how can the Tories be so rubbish as to be 13 years in opposition and STILL not win against an ailing government in a financial crisis? It's Labour in 1992 again (except they did even worse, of course). Shocking indictment of their ability to, well, do anything.
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Yeah, Cameron has been lauded, for the last 3 years it's seemed like it was fated that he would get an outright majority. I have to say I find it extremely satisfying that he's fucked it up. I think the Labour message about 'We're trying to secure the recovery/Gordon Brown has done well in the financial crisis/The Tories will cut jobs" all got through to the electorate - purely from anecdotal evidence. But for loads of folk I spoke to prior to the election who aren't that fussed about politics that was what they were telling me. Fear of Tory cuts is still strong, regardless of what has happened under Labour. I'm tempted to say that the financial crisis is one of the reasons there wasn't a total Labour implosion... :confused:
 
Mr. Tea

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
grizzleb said:
I think the Labour message about 'We're trying to secure the recovery/Gordon Brown has done well in the financial crisis/The Tories will cut jobs" all got through to the electorate
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...and this, despite the paucity of Labour propaganda! Did anyone else notice that there was far, far more election prop' from the Tories than the incumbents? I mean, I know I live in a safe Labour seat so maybe they just didn't bother so much here, but all across town you had Cameron's big posh spoony face staring down at you (as well as a glowering Brown, but on Tory posters) - and hardly any Labour stuff at all. I read a year or two ago that the Tories' campaign budget was bigger than Labour's several times over, and I can certainly believe it.

grizzleb said:
Fear of Tory cuts is still strong
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That missing 'n' again, eh? ;)

I agree, someone's going to have to swing that axe but it could fall in very different places depending on who's wielding it. [/crappy extended metaphor]
 
craner

craner

Beast of Burden
Everyone seems to have forgotten that we don't actually elect a Prime Minister. We only elect MPs. MPs elect Prime Ministers.

I watch Sky News quite a lot, although I admit that this has a lot to do with weather girl Lucy Verasamy.

Talking of TV, surely this is the election where the Paxman Type ran its course? Is Huw Edwards the way forward?
 
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Slothrop

Slothrop

Tight but Polite
craner said:
Everyone seems to have forgotten that we don't actually elect a Prime Minister. We only elect MPs. MPs elect Prime Ministers.
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Not to mention that the lib dems don't have any particular duty to base their decisions on the wishes of people who didn't vote for them - so the fact that the tories have more votes / seats than labour doesn't mean jack. The level of moaning from disgruntled tories at the moment is pathetic. If 'the people' wanted your party in power they could have fucking voted for them.

If it had been a socialist / trades unionist party well to the left of labour that people were looking to form coalitions with, noone would be saying that the people have spoken and they should only be considering allying themselves with the tories because representative democracy doesn't work like that.
 
grizzleb

grizzleb

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Totally agree. All this chat of 'it's clear who lost the election' or 'it's a coalition of the losers' is laughable. If a majority of parties can work something out then surely that's entirely justified. LOL at any moaning Tories.
 
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crackerjack

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Everyone seems to have forgotten that we don't actually elect a Prime Minister. We only elect MPs. MPs elect Prime Ministers.
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Well, yes, just another reason why the leaders debates were a ton of guff. if they were gonna happen, they should've done 4 debates - one with each of the great offices, all at prime-time, not shunted off to the small hours, leading up to the final one with the leaders.

Instead we got absurd hullabaloo about some pretty tepid TV shows and now we're meant to accept that we have some de facto presidential system. Fuck. Right. Off.

And Sky should be burned to the ground.

And its ashes sprinkled on James Murdoch's toast.

For the rest of his life.
 
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crackerjack

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But, back to the main issue...

The old party animals are right, Lab should reject any deal with the LDs as too unstable cos of the need to bring in Nats.
 
hucks

hucks

Your Message Here
crackerjack said:
But, back to the main issue...

The old party animals are right, Lab should reject any deal with the LDs as too unstable cos of the need to bring in Nats.
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Which sems to be what they've done. Cameron to be announced as PM tonight, apparently.

Edit: Actually, that's going too far. But seems that a Lib Con deal has been struck, and the parties now need to sign up to it.
 
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paolo

Mechanical phantoms
Say what you like about Cameron* but the Tories did get more votes than any other party...







*One of Mogwai said that he looks like C3PO made out of ham
 
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crackerjack

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apparently the right aren't happy about sharing power with the old limpwristed libbys and have extracted their price in cabinet seats

so it won't just be Hague, Fox and Grayling (assuming her survives) keeping it real for the headbanger tendency in the new govt

if CalllMeDave keeps everybody happy for more than 5 mins, maybe he is the great leader The Sun are pretending he is
 
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Webstarr

Well-known member
crackerjack said:
apparently the right aren't happy about sharing power with the old limpwristed libbys and have extracted their price in cabinet seats

so it won't just be Hague, Fox and Grayling (assuming her survives) keeping it real for the headbanger tendency in the new govt

if CalllMeDave keeps everybody happy for more than 5 mins, maybe he is the great leader The Sun are pretending he is
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appart from cleggy weggy (I assume), which lib dems are likely to be offered cabinet positions then?
 
Slothrop

Slothrop

Tight but Polite
crackerjack said:
if CalllMeDave keeps everybody happy for more than 5 mins, maybe he is the great leader The Sun are pretending he is
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Let's not ignore the fact that his not actually winning the election outright despite being up against a government that had managed to make themselve less popular than herpes and having most of the press queueing up to fellate him isn't exactly going to strengthen his position.
 
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crackerjack

Well-known member
Webstarr said:
appart from cleggy weggy (I assume), which lib dems are likely to be offered cabinet positions then?
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You know, I'm still embarrassed but my total ignorance of the leading LDs (I'm not even totally au fait with all the Tories). So, er, King Vince, obviously; Huhne, I'd guess. Er, um....Sarah Teather?

I saw someone mention six, but that seems a bit much to me.
 
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