Mr. Tea
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Putin may be discovering the downsides of backing a horse as fundamentally unstable and capricious as Trump. Then again, for all we know he may have planned for this contingency or even banked on it.
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Putin may be discovering the downsides of backing a horse as fundamentally unstable and capricious as Trump. Then again, for all we know he may have planned for this contingency or even banked on it.
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Yes, it's definitely worse than the time Soviet megaton-warhead-tipped ballistic missiles were deployed 90 miles from the USA, isn't it.
Certainly has a gift for hyperbole, hasn't he?
Yes, it's definitely worse than the time Soviet megaton-warhead-tipped ballistic missiles were deployed 90 miles from the USA, isn't it.
Certainly has a gift for hyperbole, hasn't he?
Looking very choreographed I think. Assad has had time to hide his airforce (on Russian bases) so will be free to continue mass murder with conventional weapons, and the balance of power remains the same.
droid
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May threatening to go in without a vote.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...willingness-for-military-action-against-syria
On the plus side, Corbyn may end up being the new PM of the cockroaches.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...willingness-for-military-action-against-syria
On the plus side, Corbyn may end up being the new PM of the cockroaches.
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
I cannot imagine that not being the case. still bet it's hella irritating tho.
Putin somewhere just trying to have some Putin time - riding horse shirtless, doing judo, bow hunting tigers, etc - being constantly interrupted by aides w/Trump tweets.
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
feels even more likely to be mostly saber rattling than it did last night, v dramatic + overwrought, tho as always what do I really know
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/09/a-saudi-princes-quest-to-remake-the-middle-east
on a kinda related note, I recommend this profile of the current Saudi crown prince to anyone interested in current ME situation
knew some of it but had no idea about kidnapping Lebanese prime minister, p nuts
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/09/a-saudi-princes-quest-to-remake-the-middle-east
on a kinda related note, I recommend this profile of the current Saudi crown prince to anyone interested in current ME situation
knew some of it but had no idea about kidnapping Lebanese prime minister, p nuts
droid
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Im sure Danny might have something to say about it, but the involvement of Saudi backed Jihadists and the Saudi support for escalation points to some serious shenanigans.
you have any recent links?
(and on the subject of New Yorker profiles, the one they did a few years ago on Qassem Suleimani was *deep*)
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
o word I'll check it out
ya the Saudis, craziness w/Yemen (real bad there), Qatar, internal strife. that brief wild era when Jared Kushner was the administration's Middle East point man.
there's a thing about Saudi blockading Qatar shortly after Qatari finance minister refused Kushner's dad a $1 billion loan to renovate family's failing Manhattan property
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
o ya well ofc ME has been locked in Saudia Arabia v. Iran regional cold war for awhile now
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
right around the time we (mostly) withdrew Iraq
going back further to the original sin of regional massive destabilization here is a p good recent thing about Bremer's infamous orders 1+2
https://slate.com/news-and-politics...-made-the-worst-decision-of-the-iraq-war.html
not hard to draw a v direct line to ME current status. p much sealed the fate right then + there.
going back further to the original sin of regional massive destabilization here is a p good recent thing about Bremer's infamous orders 1+2
https://slate.com/news-and-politics...-made-the-worst-decision-of-the-iraq-war.html
not hard to draw a v direct line to ME current status. p much sealed the fate right then + there.
droid
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What I have culled from several dozen decent twitter accounts from across the spectrum:
US, UK & France not expected to wait for further UN process. Potential targets have already mostly been emptied of Syrian troops.
Strike possible tonight. Syrians think it will come From Jordan and Turkey, not the mediterranean.
Russia expected to shoot down a few missiles but mostly stand by. Putin called Netanyahu today and threatened direct Iranian retaliation if Israel gets involved.
Russian perspective is this is has nothing to do with chemicals and everything to do with ejection of Saudi backed jihadist forces in Ghouta who were the largest remaining major threat to Assad.
The more successful EU/US are in destroying Syrian army, the more of a vacuum created for Iran to step into militarily.
Russia willing to accept a day or two of shooting, if it goes on any longer we're looking at dangerous escalation.
Of course, any shooting holds potential for disastrous miscalculation.
Serious political ramifications possible in UK/US, especially for May. Its conspiracist, but I cant help but tentatively correlate the serious escalation in efforts to unseat Trump via the Cohen raid with goings on in Syria.
US, UK & France not expected to wait for further UN process. Potential targets have already mostly been emptied of Syrian troops.
Strike possible tonight. Syrians think it will come From Jordan and Turkey, not the mediterranean.
Russia expected to shoot down a few missiles but mostly stand by. Putin called Netanyahu today and threatened direct Iranian retaliation if Israel gets involved.
Russian perspective is this is has nothing to do with chemicals and everything to do with ejection of Saudi backed jihadist forces in Ghouta who were the largest remaining major threat to Assad.
The more successful EU/US are in destroying Syrian army, the more of a vacuum created for Iran to step into militarily.
Russia willing to accept a day or two of shooting, if it goes on any longer we're looking at dangerous escalation.
Of course, any shooting holds potential for disastrous miscalculation.
Serious political ramifications possible in UK/US, especially for May. Its conspiracist, but I cant help but tentatively correlate the serious escalation in efforts to unseat Trump via the Cohen raid with goings on in Syria.
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
thx for summation. ya that basically jives my impression trying to follow things
yup
na tho you gotta away from that dude, that's some MAGA 4chan tip. not accusing u personally ofc but dude come on. it's some wake up sheeple shit.
I thought this was worth sharing:
"What people don't realise is that even just *talk* of an impending air strike in Syria has cleared the sky of bombers. Civilians in Idlib and Deraa today can walk around free from having to cower from bombardment. Just the potential of punitive action is literally saving lives."
Another friend pointed out - this is exactly how a No Fly Zone is supposed to operate.
"What people don't realise is that even just *talk* of an impending air strike in Syria has cleared the sky of bombers. Civilians in Idlib and Deraa today can walk around free from having to cower from bombardment. Just the potential of punitive action is literally saving lives."
Another friend pointed out - this is exactly how a No Fly Zone is supposed to operate.