Jeremy Corbyn

[Mr. Tea]

Bombing ISIS whilst giving arms and military support to the Saudis and their allies is ridiculous.

"Giving"? Ahem, selling, surely. We're not a fucking charity, you know.

 

[droid]

Well, yeah, the US fucked it up afterwards, but that doesn't really alter the argument.

Sure, because that's not going to happen again, nor is it what happens after ever single intervention.

 

[Mr. Tea]

I wonder how many of you would accept craners premise, that the fight against Muslims is WWIV?

Oh who's trolling now? Come on Luke, you can do better than that.

 

[sadmanbarty]

Lol! How am I supposed to know?

Well you might want to retract your pro-bombing = moron stance.

Or let me know that I'm a moron because you've been trolling me this whole time and I keep responding.

 

[luka]

Not trolling anyone don't know what you're talking about. Your question was very funny that's all. How do you expect me to respond?

 

[sadmanbarty]

Not trolling anyone don't know what you're talking about. Your question was very funny that's all. How do you expect me to respond?

If you can't answer that question, why take such a strong stance?

 

[luka]

It's the most ridiculous question I've ever been asked

 

[Mr. Tea]

Regardless of the conflict as a whole do you think that the recapture of the Kobani canton was 1) a good thing and 2) in part thanks to air support?

It's of course possible that air strikes may, in some instances, have had a measurable positive effect with regard to assisting anti-ISIS action on the ground - and at the same time killed large numbers of civilians and disrupted civilian infrastructure, thus doing ISIS's work for them and helping to keep the steady stream of recruits coming. It doesn't have to be either/or.

 

[sadmanbarty]

killed large numbers of civilians and disrupted civilian infrastructure, thus doing ISIS's work for them and helping to keep the steady stream of recruits coming. It doesn't have to be either/or.

No sunni-arab civilians were killed in that operation

 

[luka]

You're at university 🎓 so it's permissable to be ridiculous btw

 

[craner]

helping to keep the steady stream of recruits coming.

Yet, surely it's feasible that many of these recruits are attracted to the romantic and violent cause and ideology of a successful and thriving terrorist organisation. Fighting IS is not going to stop that, at least not until they're are so disabled they lose that lustre of the victor and the attraction of the insurgent which they currently project in their glossy, pornographic propaganda.

 

[droid]

in their glossy, pornographic propaganda.

 

[sadmanbarty]

You're at university 🎓 so it's permissable to be ridiculous btw

I left school after GCSE's, so no uni for me. I must have been born ridiculous.

 

[craner]

Ok, so the advert for the British Army is glossy.

I suppose I meant, the snuff movies of IS.

 

[craner]

I feel like we have only a few minutes until Droid posts an old Abu Ghraib picture.

 

[droid]

Im just waiting on you to implode under the weight of historical irony.

 

[luka]

I left school after GCSE's, so no uni for me. I must have been born ridiculous.

Ok fair enough. Thats a point in your favour

 

[baboon2004]

syria bombing campaign ignites dissensus

quality trolling all round

 

[Mr. Tea]

No sunni-arab civilians were killed in that operation

Is that known for a fact? And was it because of superb intelligence and great tactical thinking, or did it have more to do with blind luck?

Even if it's true, one bombing campaign that helped an anti-ISIS mission on the ground and had no civilian casualties does not make a persuasive case for air campaigns per se. It still has to be weighed up against all the other airstrikes that have caused massive civilian casualties (not just in Iraq/Syria, but Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, Libya...). Not to mention The Whole Iraq Thing that allowed ISIS to come into being (as it exists now, at least) in the first place.

 

[HMGovt’s Glorious Return!]

Bombing is moronic. The next superpower will be the first to deploy and operate indefatigable hordes of killer land, air and sea drones that can interdict classes of activity in a given territory. Activities like hooning around in armed Toyota pick ups, throwing people off of towers, blowing up relics. Big Brother with teeth and claws and 4K video feeds. Doesn't even need AI, urban youth could earn good money knocking off Jihadis thousands of miles away. ISIS would be fucked up against that. China and Russia are the only ones immoral and technologically advanced to do it, so the West might as well back the fuck off.

That's my rosy vision of the future anyway.

PS this is the War of Gog & Magog rather than Armageddon, apparently. Interesting.