Hi John I was just wondering if you've got any good arguments for leaving cos I haven't come across any yet. I want to hear the out argument
I'm really not the best person to speak to about this, I am just stumbling around trying to find my way like everyone else.
I will say that I utterly do not care about:
1. Sovereignty (Down with Sovereigns, up with Soviets!)
2. The queens head being on coins or whether we have the euro
3. Preserving the british way of life / british values
The main things for me are:
1. The EU is a neoliberal project. Admittedly so is the vast majority of the UK ruling class. (So in many ways this is an argument between factions of capital about how they should run our lives.)
2. Unlike some sections of the UK ruling class there is no way for UK citizens to change what the EU does or to reform it. Indeed - the EU will protect its own values and interests even if an entire country votes against it, as in Greece.
3. The EU is all about free movement of workers, but only within the EU. Perhaps it has to be like that but it there are some shameful examples of letting migrants die, for example by refusing to support the Marie Nostrum project:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mare_Nostrum
It should go without saying that this essentially equates to the murderous exclusion of black people.
4. The EU is huge bureaucracy. As a bureaucrat myself I know that this means a lot of making things more complicated than they have to be, working to perpetuate yourself instead of the greater good and general wasteman behaviour.
5. Despite all the panic it would seem that membership of NATO and being subject to the European Court of Human Rights are totally different to membership of the EU.
Most of the arguments for remaining seem to revolve around:
1. Not liking UKIP or little Englanders / oh the French are so sophisticated not like the oiks I see outside Wetherspoons.
2. "Project Fear" type stuff as we saw with the Scottish referendum
3. And mainly "It's good for trade/ business". I don't think that is proven. I also don't see any evidence whatsoever that what is good for the banks and bosses is good for me.