Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
More pro-Assad, pro-Putin propaganda, this time from Craner's favourite publication:

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/12/time-judge-assads-aleppo-campaign-standards-set-mosul/

The point about the media filter and double standards in reporting is always worth repeating, of course, but I think this article badly oversimplifies things for the same of describing the Aleppo and Mosul situations as "identical". For one thing, the battle of Mosul is fundamentally being fought between two opposing sides - ISIS vs. the Iraqi national military and its various backers and allies - while the situation in Syria in general and Aleppo in particular is much more complicated; at a bare minimum, you have to consider three mutually antagonistic factions, namely the Syrian government/Russia/Iran/Hezbollah, ISIS and other Islamists, and the Kurdish and other non-Islamist rebel groups (ignoring the divisions between the various Islamist groups) - and that's without even mentioning the CJTF.

Further, there's the Syrian army's and Russian air force's persistent deliberate targeting of civilians in Aleppo.

Edit: the point is well made about how little criticism we hear of Saudi activity (conducted with our blessing and support, of course) in Yemen.
 
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firefinga

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It's no coincidence this "safe space" fad is popping up now. Those kids want to extend their closed (insert any current social media fad) groups into the real world (or their "real world" which is colleges).

I think this might be the most important factor here. This is the first generation having fully grown up surrogating the realworld with social media/being an internet persona. They simply can't get a grip on "the real world" so they are trying to rebuild the social media experience via those "safe spaces".
 

sadmanbarty

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Is there a good book which explains the history of Isreal?

I know near enough to nothing about it.

I'd recommend 'new historians' such as benny morris and Avi Shlaim. Try and get as much from different sides as possible, as this is such a divisive issue.

This is a good documentary:

 

droid

Well-known member
Absolutely, read Benny Morris, he authoritatively destroys many of the founding myths of israel from the right, lamenting only that the Nakba didnt go far enough.
 

droid

Well-known member
If you want the 'other' side you'd have to read Friedman, or Dershowitz, Melanie Phillips, or (ahem) Joan Peters.
 

droid

Well-known member
Friedman at least, is a true believer in the NYT school of uncritical support of Israel... Dershowitz is perhaps one of the most dishonest and despicable writers on earth.
 

craner

Beast of Burden
I would put in a vote for Avi Shlaim's Iron Wall and Walter Laqueur's History of Zionism to add to those above. Maybe David Hirst, too, Gun and the Olive Branch.
 

craner

Beast of Burden
If you really want one from the pro-Israeli right, how about Efraim Karsh's Palestine Betrayed?
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
Things the Right get Right about what People get Wrong

'Members of the public in European states including France, Belgium, Germany and the UK greatly overestimate their country’s Muslim population and the rate at which it is growing.

An Ipsos Mori survey that measured the gap between public perception and reality in 40 countries in 2016 found French respondents were by far the most likely to overstate their country’s current and projected Muslim population.

The average French estimate was that 31% of the population was Muslim – almost one in three residents. According to Pew Research, France’s Muslim population actually stood at 7.5% in 2010, or one in 13 people.'

https://www.theguardian.com/society...ely-overestimate-muslim-population-poll-shows

'3 Million Brexit Tweets Reveal Leave Voters Talked About Immigration More Than Anything Else

Groundbreaking analysis shows immigration, not sovereignty or the NHS, dominated the conversation – and making British judges responsible for British law was a key theme for Leave supporters.'

https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/3-million-brexit-tweets-reveal-leave-voters-talked-about-imm
 
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firefinga

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Its too late. the last genuine European opportunity was in the 30's, and that was crushed in Barcelona.

I'd like to add the Prague Spring to this. If you read accounts from before Breshnev let the Warsaw Pact dogs off the chain they were trying to form a socialist state providing civil liberties. which might have had the potential to have positive effects on big parts of Europe.
 

vimothy

yurp
The deceptively anodyne term “cultural appropriation,” borrowed from academic jargon, doesn’t in itself convey the gravity it holds in certain circles. According to the online magazine Everyday Feminism, it describes “a particular power dynamic in which members of a dominant culture take elements from a culture of people who have been systematically oppressed by that dominant group.” The idea results in a rubric that determines who is and is not allowed to engage in particular behaviors. Can you cook pho? Can you teach yoga? Can you wear your hair in cornrows? It depends on which culture you belong to. If you belong to a “dominant culture,” you really shouldn’t do any of that....

It may come as some surprise on both sides of the battlefield, but the left has not always understood “cultural appropriation” as a form of oppression.... But when it first came into use, “cultural appropriation” denoted very nearly the opposite of its contemporary meaning.

The idea preceded the term, as a product of the Center for Contemporary Cultural Studies at the University of Birmingham. For thinkers like Stuart Hall, cultural appropriation described the way subcultures were created. The contemporary objects of inquiry... were youth cultures in England: teddy boys, mods, skinheads and so on. But the precedents ran deeper. Indian food in England, Negro spirituals in America, bathhouses in 19th-century France – these were all contexts in which members of what we might now call “marginalized groups” used elements of a dominant culture in altered forms, generating their own communities that could hide in plain sight.

The phrase “cultural appropriation” became typical of academic cultural studies in the 1990’s... It was a cornerstone of the work of scholars... who used it to describe the “creative acts” of African slaves in 18th-century Virginia in the formation of an “oppositional culture.” George Lipsitz made similar use of the concept in his studies on African-American music... But the idea had been theorized in extensive detail in 1979, in Dick Hebdige’s foundational study, Subculture.

Hebdige, once a student at Birmingham, described mass-produced commodities as being “open to a double inflection.” As he elaborated:

These “humble objects” can be magically appropriated; “stolen” by subordinate groups and made to carry “secret” meanings: meanings which express, in code, a form of resistance to the order which guarantees their continued subordination.​

Hebdige’s primary informants were punks in late-seventies London, a group that was constituted not by ethnicity, but by voluntary participation.

Subculture traces the spectrum of appropriation practiced by London punks, beginning with their most mundane symbol, safety pins. These innocent implements were “taken out of their domestic ‘utility’ context and worn as gruesome ornaments.” The book concludes with the most charged symbol the punks adopted, possibly the most charged symbol in western culture: the swastika.

Hebdige’s claim was that punks didn’t wear the swastika in representation of a right-wing ideology. Instead, it was a naive method of distancing themselves from the culture of their parents... Hebdige quotes a young punk... explaining that she wore a swastika simply because “punks just like to be hated.”

The passage of time allows us to draw some conclusions about potential outcomes of cultural appropriation. For many years, safety pins became inextricably associated with punks, perhaps even more so than with seamstresses. As for the swastika, it’s probably safe to say most former punks are not all that proud of having once worn one – its previous connotations were not so easily overwritten.

But forty years later, safety pins and swastikas are appearing again, for entirely different reasons....

https://viewpointmag.com/2017/01/04/the-safety-pin-and-the-swastika/
 
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