Things the Right get right

[Benny Bunter]

https://viewpointmag.com/2017/01/04/the-safety-pin-and-the-swastika/

Thanks vimothy, looks interesting. Will read the whole thing when i have time.

In other news related to the earlier discussion in this thread, julie bindel has just been no platformed again from a talk about violence against women at a university in oslo AND transactivists are currently campaigning to have the salford working class community library closed down completely (by targeting its funders) because bindel is scheduled to do a talk there about growing up as a lesbian in a rough housing estate.

WTF is wrong with these people?

 

[firefinga]

I actually sat through Milo and Bindel having a debate with eachother; 'Is Feminism Cancer?' - plenty they could have disagreed and debated on, they spent 95% of the time telling eachother how right they are on what they agreed upon. Strange.

So I have watched some youtube vids of that Milo guy, bc he is unknown really in the German speaking world. And seriously, if you have to "no platform" such a weak debater like that guy seems to be, you really got fundamental problems with your own agenda/politics/policies

 

[Mr. Tea]

In other news related to the earlier discussion in this thread, julie bindel has just been no platformed again from a talk about violence against women at a university in oslo AND transactivists are currently campaigning to have the salford working class community library closed down completely (by targeting its funders) because bindel is scheduled to do a talk there about growing up as a lesbian in a rough housing estate.

WTF is wrong with these people?

Christ that's depressing.

 

[firefinga]

so "no platforming" (=rioting) that Milo guy in Berkeley has actually given the guy the biggest platform to date with reports on mainstream media outlets all over the US and even in Europe reporting the case.

Very well done!

 

[john eden]

so "no platforming" (=rioting) that Milo guy in Berkeley has actually given the guy the biggest platform to date with reports on mainstream media outlets all over the US and even in Europe reporting the case.

Very well done!

You would prefer people not to protest against the rise of the alt-right?

Maybe if we keep quiet they will just go away...

 

[droid]

On the other hand, the Nazis have come out and said it actually works.

[video]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ent-doxxing-richard-spencer-interview[/video]

And youre kidding yourself if you think Milo didnt already have a huge amount of coverage. He was on primetime British news covering up his baldspot recently, plus he got a massive publishing deal.

At this point no platforming is as much about shows of resistance than anything else. The state will use violence against protesters regardless. The liberal media will give them coverage regardless - so they will have to be stopped on the streets, in Universities, at speaking engagements... popular resistance everywhere they go.

 

[firefinga]

You would prefer people not to protest against the rise of the alt-right?

I would indeed prefer people to protest and NOT idiotically rioting.

 

[john eden]

I would indeed prefer people to protest and NOT idiotically rioting.

There's nothing fascists like more than a liberal pacifist.

 

[firefinga]

And youre kidding yourself if you think Milo didnt already have a huge amount of coverage. He was on primetime British news covering up his baldspot recently, plus he got a massive publishing deal.

This incident brought Milo on German prime time time tv news. He was virtually unknown (and would have stayed unknown) up until those riots.

 

[john eden]

This incident brought Milo on German prime time time tv news. He was virtually unknown (and would have stayed unknown) up until those riots.

Is this the first time someone from the far right has appeared on German prime time news?

 

[Mr. Tea]

Is this the first time someone from the far right has appeared on German prime time news?

 

[Leo]

All world views are not inherently equal. Conservative thinking is, by definition, bent on conserving the status quo. It is often regressive. A shrinking, a backward movement, a return to previous points in cultural, political, and intellectual development.

Universities aren’t bereft of conservatives and Evangelicals because of a vast left-wing conspiracy. They’re bereft of those people because people committed to those world views so rarely have anything to offer to an open-minded, inquiring, growing community. Universities are lacking in conservatives and fundamentalist Christians because the amount of education that it takes to become a professor is likely to expose Evangelicals and conservatives to enough good ideas that they’re no longer fundamentalist or conservative.

 

[josef k.]

The progresssive/regressive axis which this author places at the centre of her idea of culture and the university is the essence of the Right-wing challenge, which sees this axiom as ideological, not to say degenerate. From a conservative perspective, the objective is not to intellectually innovate, but to defend the moral order, such as it is.

Relatedly, the idea that fundamentalist conservatives are often cretinous may well be true, but given that academia is not barred to cretins is insufficiently explanatory.

 

[jorge]

Not really following on from the other posts in here but in answer to thread title, theres certainly ideas on the right which can be useful.

It seems that a core principle of the right is personal responsibility; we are all responsible for our own actions and can reap the rewards of our success and deserve the pains of our failure. Whereas the left is much more interested in how the system gives advantages/disadvantages that determine success/failure.

I think that on a soceital level and when making policy we need to recognise the huge structural disadvantages that many people have due to class, race etc. But on an individual level it can be damaging to think of yourself as lacking agency, even if to a large extent you (and all of us) are.

I think of the feeling of agency as more of a tool than a accurate description of our lives, in the same way I think its important to be optomistic even if it seems completely irrational considering the circumstances.

 

[josef k.]

Theses on the Alt-Right...

 

[luka]

That's a start Josef but you can drill deeper. You're being lazy.

 

[josef k.]

I said it was provisional. All points open for discussion. Also, I'm being lazy by writing this text in the first place.

 

[vimothy]

From an outside perspective, Harry Potter is a funny fantasy for liberals to cohere around. Going off to centuries-old boarding school where your mum and dad were Head Boy and Head Girl, where tolerance and broadmindedness consists of admitting that lower-class Muggles can occasionally have the same genetically-mediated gifts as the gentry, where the greatest possible action for a woman is to let herself be slain so her son can grow up to revenge himself on her killer, where ignorance of the supernatural is a form of willful self-delusion,a pathetic blindness to the real forces that move the world, where all the kids eat Merry Olde England foods like Roast Beef and Kidney Pie and Yorkshire Pudding all the time, all sounds more reactionary than progressive. But if contemporary liberalism is the ideology of imperial academia, funneled through media and non-profits and governmental agencies but responsible ultimately only to itself, the obsession with Harry Potter makes a lot more sense.

(...)

Harry Potter... is a fantasy of institutional legitimacy, that loyalty to the idealized form of the School is equivalent to an individual moral sense.

https://spottedtoad.wordpress.com/2017/02/06/getting-your-owl/

 

[luka]

I'm 37 mate I'm not reading about harry potter

 

[vimothy]

Don't believe you.