luka
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he got it off of you. it's catching.
Russia Surrounded
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- craner boobs disco dasha nekrasova good old obsessive antiamericanism gullfire over leningrad j. h. prynne jamaican voodoo gang from predator 2 my indian mate in year 11 with downs syndrome oliver ukrainer sanctuary of apollo shaka's secret mission snake island the black sea the good old party spirit of desert storm the russo-ucranerian war wagner man falling out of the sky we're all neocons now whatabouastic whataboutery whataboutish whataboutism whataboutistic who controls the serpent
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
In retrospect, the smart thing for Western leaders to have done in 91 would have been to recognise Ukraine as the successor state to the USSR and politely asked Yeltsin to send thr Ukrainian government all the nukes stationed in Russia.
mixed_biscuits
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But then Putin would have just been President of Ukraine.
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
I'm not sure you've really thought this through, you know.
Clinamenic
Binary & Tweed
Yeah Vim, have u even read Fukuyama?
mixed_biscuits
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The scum rises to the top. If you make Ukraine more powerful than Russia, both having been part of the USSR, all the top Soviet boys will set up in Ukraine.
vimothy
yurp
not you, of course, craner. I mean people with less foresight - policy makers, think tankers, "normal" people
craner
Beast of Burden
Stop trying to be a philistine, it's a pointless endeavor.
vimothy
yurp
read the original paper
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
"Bother The Flip Out (of)"?
Clinamenic
Binary & Tweed
This I think I'll actually do, even though the pursuit of Craner's respect I suspect is also a "pointless endeavor"
germaphobian
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I can only keep repeating my Eastern Euro spiel that English really, really do underestimate the Russian threat. I mean, I get it in a way, since England has been blessed with geographical location it has and it hasn't come under much outside pressure in a long, long time, but those stated facts have lead to all kinds of delusions.
Ok, maybe it's better to put it this way - if Putin's stratagem works, I can easily imagine Russian nukes raining down on London; some of my English friends have thought me crazy for saying that, but when you go through the present situation step by step, when you consider final Russian ambitions, it does make complete sense.
I mean, again, I get it why on a purly empirical level people don't see it in that light, because you have to go bit mad to consider that, but that's essentially the reality of the situation.
Peter Zeihan, who's been very far sighted when it comes to this particular conflict, even said that Russian nukes obliterating major US cities is not a far-off possibility.
I find this Western Euoropean blidness and glibness concerning, because, to press a bit on where it hurts, history won't be decided by analyzing rave records and movies, that's the kind of luxury what you get after oceans of blood been spilled.
Ok, maybe it's better to put it this way - if Putin's stratagem works, I can easily imagine Russian nukes raining down on London; some of my English friends have thought me crazy for saying that, but when you go through the present situation step by step, when you consider final Russian ambitions, it does make complete sense.
I mean, again, I get it why on a purly empirical level people don't see it in that light, because you have to go bit mad to consider that, but that's essentially the reality of the situation.
Peter Zeihan, who's been very far sighted when it comes to this particular conflict, even said that Russian nukes obliterating major US cities is not a far-off possibility.
I find this Western Euoropean blidness and glibness concerning, because, to press a bit on where it hurts, history won't be decided by analyzing rave records and movies, that's the kind of luxury what you get after oceans of blood been spilled.
I agree completely with this. I don't know about nukes (I assume we have a functional deterrent) but Russia is an aggressive expansionist power and a huge threat to the peace and prosperity of its neighbours. It's psychopathy writ large and the only thing it responds to is force, not diplomacy. Maybe all states are psychopathic in a way, but it's very clear with Russia if you look at its actions in this war and in other theatres.
Wasn't joking above when I said it's reasonably likely that Starmer will be a wartime leader. That's where this is heading in the next few years.
germaphobian
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There's also an extreme propoganda effort now to show Russia an as regional power which only wants to maintain its dominance around the national borders, that's nothing but bollocks and people who toe that line will probably have a special place in hell. It is an ALL IN situation at this point, the real problem is convincing people about the seriousness of the issue.
Not rn, in a few years time, if they win in Ukraine and have the opportunity to rearm and consolidate (incorporating the profits from Ukrainian agriculture, providing they don't just destory everything. Especially if Trump quits NATO.