Russia Surrounded

[HMGovt’s Glorious Return!]

You were literally saying upthread that Germany is going to team up with Russia upthread which is a completely absurd and mad proposition. The most sucessful European democracy team up with a hugely corrupt impoverished autocracy. The "America is losing its power" thing is mostly fan fiction written by tankies. Trump will do his best if he gets in but he'll face lots of institutional resistance.

Yes, Germany will choose Russia in the new post American imperiim multipolar world. Much of what we have seen over the past decade is America and NATO fighting against this. Gerhard Schroeder is an interesting figure in this struggle

 

[HMGovt’s Glorious Return!]

United Germany is dangerous for Anglo+Franco-America, in war and in trade, but eventually America won't be able to contain its sovereignty any longer, going through its very own Weimar period as it is.

 

[HMGovt’s Glorious Return!]

I beg you please just get off the internet and read one book about Eastern Europe. Anything, just one.

Been reading about this 35 years, you need to catch up.perhaps? You seem dim and emotional

 

[HMGovt’s Glorious Return!]

But don't worry, they're taking women on the frontline in Ukraine now

 

[DannyL]

Been reading about this 35 years, you need to catch up.perhaps? You seem dim and emotional

Depth of reading does not show in your posts here.

 

[DannyL]

Yes, Germany will choose Russia in the new post American imperiim multipolar world. Much of what we have seen over the past decade is America and NATO fighting against this. Gerhard Schroeder is an interesting figure in this struggle

Reference me a text that refers to the coming German-Russia alliance. Modern Russia, the state it's in, the level of corruption, the poverty outside of Moscow and Germany is going to align with it? Come on.

 

[HMGovt’s Glorious Return!]

oh come that's not true, lots of pro Russian sentiment - looks at pretty much all of Germany's establishment up to the invasion.

🤣

 

[DannyL]

Lots of the German political establishment hoped to influence Russia through links built up in the last 20 years. Russia absolutely torpedoed that with the invasion. The idea that Germany is going to chose them as a strategic partner going forward is fucking mental tbh.

 

[wild greens]

Bitcoin is the grift becoming mainstream

 

[wild greens]

I say this as someone who's caked off it twice now. It is a massive amazing disruption but it is still fake

 

[HMGovt’s Glorious Return!]

I'm taking a long view. Now is not the time, obviously, but when this is over and Germany still needs gas and timber, Russians need Mercedes and autonomous industrial machines...

 

[luka]

thats a very priggish piece of grandstanding craner, even by your standards

 

[HMGovt’s Glorious Return!]

It's late and we've all had a few drinks

 

[HMGovt’s Glorious Return!]

I say this as someone who's caked off it twice now. It is a massive amazing disruption but it is still fake

Many say it's the least fake thing since fire or electricity, and they're getting richer every cycle.

 

[DannyL]

I'm taking a long view. Now is not the time, obviously, but when this is over and Germany still needs gas and timber, Russians need Mercedes and autonomous industrial machines...

Oh not Russia *now*, an imaginary Russia that exists in the distant future. Like I said, fanfic.

 

[HMGovt’s Glorious Return!]

Can you only hold one concept in your head at a time? Not to worry if so, it's quite common.

 

[DannyL]

Can you only hold one concept in your head at a time? Not to worry if so, it's quite common.

Still waiting for a source on this that's not r/libertarian

 

[HMGovt’s Glorious Return!]

I've no time for Reddit, been on here 20 years!

 

[Mr. Tea]

Lots of the German political establishment hoped to influence Russia through links built up in the last 20 years. Russia absolutely torpedoed that with the invasion. The idea that Germany is going to chose them as a strategic partner going forward is fucking mental tbh.

Not to mention the whole "Maybe we should develop our own nukes to protect ourselves if Trump wins and the US pulls out of NATO" thing, which doesn't exactly scream "Yay, Russia!"

 

[germaphobian]

Germany is so very good at making things, better than anybody except maybe the Japanese. Or at least was for as long as its industrial centres had cheap natural gas (and nuclear) on hand. That talent will emerge if solely economic forces are allowed to play out, which they would be under a Russian security umbrella.

Russia has played with gloves on in Ukraine. Kiev could have been flattened, obviously.

Germany, up till very recently, had all the advantages imaginable - American security, unlimited supply of cheap Russian energy, enormous Chinese markets, euro currency which played to their advantage and strong diplomatic power. Even nuclear was phased out only fairly recently. None of that seems to have helped to restore their will to continue to exist as a nation since they basically have worst demographics in the West (not as bad as Russia's though). Why would a new setup under Russian security umbrella, which would have similar advantages, change that? What would be different?
Also, using Japan as an example is a case in point, because they're good at making everything except babies, so their demographics are beyond salvageable.