pattycakes_
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If only you knew man. Its a fucking scrape all the way. I just choose to keep trying.
Beyond Soul.
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If only you knew man. Its a fucking scrape all the way. I just choose to keep trying.
Fair enough. I think I agree with a lot of that (nearly most of it.) Thanks for being so accommodating. I'm struggling with the Carly rae jepsen bit though. For the record I think it's dogshit but i am a hermit. But like It's not as if Timbaland or Missy were any less surface level and materialistic, I just click with their approach even more. there is just something so infuriatingly... um I don't know. I just find Carly makes me feel very queasy. I don't want to live it large. I don't want to have a naked selfie with the hotties. I don't want to be on a beach sipping a nice drink listening to some classy 70s jazz funk like, um, Raul De Souza Jumpstreet I guess? It just hurts my ears. It doesn't even trigger the responses its producers want me to feel. So I can't mount a case for CRJ.
luka
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And third was getting all agitated by you and I wanted him to calm down. It was a plea for understanding. Third can be quite hard to understand but he does make concrete, relevant, intelligent points, they're just kind of oblique and buried in all sorts of other stuff. I'm a bit frustrated cos it seems to have become impossible to talk to one another. There doesn't seem to be a shared wavelength.
nah man, for real, it's all um...
I can't say fucking love can I? It's um.
It's all connected.
pattycakes_
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It's all good man. I've come to enjoy this place more than any other on the Web. The ribbing is all part of it. As you were
And if it weren't already obvious, I have my own style of antagonism eheh
And if it weren't already obvious, I have my own style of antagonism eheh
luka
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Lol
pattycakes_
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You two should coax a few more in here. Sir Reynolds just posted a blinder. Lots more ground to cover
pattycakes_
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Third is a pillar. Never change!
What I meant by CRJ is she can't be soulful because her bathtub doesn't have a ring around it. It's too clean
What I meant by CRJ is she can't be soulful because her bathtub doesn't have a ring around it. It's too clean
I mean does anyone want to make a radical gnostic/anarchist/revolutionary/communist (pick yer word of poison) case for Carly? The only people I've ever heard be into it were university students. but since I quit uni I've turned into a Dickensian spinster, only problem is i am an accursed man and can't go fully mad.
My aunt and her work mates like Beyonce though. I guess she's an expected soul music for the 2010s really. I like her and all but I'm not an avid fan or anything. Nothing too deep but nothing shallow either. middle of the road soul. who would that be in the 70s? Calling Bliss.
But then also Badu doesn't really have much to say these days either does she? apart from pulling controversial publicity stunts in interview after interview.
My aunt and her work mates like Beyonce though. I guess she's an expected soul music for the 2010s really. I like her and all but I'm not an avid fan or anything. Nothing too deep but nothing shallow either. middle of the road soul. who would that be in the 70s? Calling Bliss.
But then also Badu doesn't really have much to say these days either does she? apart from pulling controversial publicity stunts in interview after interview.
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luka
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I'm really struggling to be honest. This happens... Quite often.... Can't seem to communicate effectively. My premise was that soulfulness has been discarded by civilisation. We have been altered. We are not feeling, emoting beings any more. We are something else. Beyond soul. There is no subjective self lonely and longing. Sobbing. Sighing. Pining. Craving. Desperate with desire. You can find those qualities in old music just as you can find other spiritual attainments materialised in art of other periods, the early Italian Renaissance for instance, or temple architecture from... Wherever whenever.... We register and respond to these things still despite being aware that they are no longer possible. To paint a Madonna. How? To build a cathedral?
pattycakes_
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Just to make it extra clear.. Carly fucking sucks!
luka
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Corpse is going to go apeshit when he sees this
but then as luke always says you can't base your music listening around or make an adjunct to your politics. politics is just a racketeers game. so it's about finding that sweet spot between the territorially timeless whilst being firmly rooted in the territorially timebound. This is why whilst I have great respect for Pharoah I think Miles was far more and will continue to be far more relevant. His pivot to a rock audience was a very wise thing to do. I mean, fucking hell pangaea still ain't been topped.
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pattycakes_
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It's tough because we all seem to be thinking of different things when we say the word soul. I just made an attempt to clarify my side of it. But I think right now we need a few more voices to pitch in their tuppence and hopefully balance it out. Blissblogg just made a very good and clear post about what it is. I'd have to agree with it. And if you haven't I'd recommend you checking that little snippet of cornel west I posted upthread. But don't take this as me say in soul is exclusively black
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luka
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well Davis thing can be approached as soundworld without having to be understood as some kind of worship. With pharaoh you basically have to accept that the whole thing as intended as prayer. And we can't occupy that role. The fact that there is no one proves it can't be done.
pattycakes_
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Miles is his own world. Pharaoh is an extension of ground already laid by the master. A sublime and infinitely deep extension. But he didn't revolutionise his genre 5 times like MD
pattycakes_
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You might want to check this at some point if you haven't already, third
Mtume discussing why Miles went electric among other things.
Mtume discussing why Miles went electric among other things.
All I'll say about the carly rae jepsen thing is.
Like, yes, you can deconstruct it, take it to bits, go to the roots of its subconscious perceptual experiences, expose its unspoken assumptions, make sociological/theological points blah blah blah.
But, that deconstruction only means something if you take a principled side rather than treat it as a mirror.
And that's where I struggle with Carly. Yes, there may be all these resonances that are not surface level, brilliant, but also it is an automated mechanism isn't it? It just disappears into noise. a certain sense of emotional triggering, an emotion without purpose, a nonspecific flow that has been totally subordinated to a logic it doesn't even understand.
Have you ever thought about how quite a significant minority of people into experimental music (not all of course) can't hold down a 5-10 year stable job?
Like, yes, you can deconstruct it, take it to bits, go to the roots of its subconscious perceptual experiences, expose its unspoken assumptions, make sociological/theological points blah blah blah.
But, that deconstruction only means something if you take a principled side rather than treat it as a mirror.
And that's where I struggle with Carly. Yes, there may be all these resonances that are not surface level, brilliant, but also it is an automated mechanism isn't it? It just disappears into noise. a certain sense of emotional triggering, an emotion without purpose, a nonspecific flow that has been totally subordinated to a logic it doesn't even understand.
Have you ever thought about how quite a significant minority of people into experimental music (not all of course) can't hold down a 5-10 year stable job?