Club Music in 2019

sadmanbarty

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third lives in the 21st century virtual update of 70's times square. taxi driver new york. harvey keitel pimps.

porn stars, turkish secret police, transexuals.

all very exciting
 

pattycakes_

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It's the panopticon innit. Plus all the ex indie kids. And all the tech making it easy for any old cunt to have a go. And lack of innovation.

Case closed.

Court dismissed.
 

thirdform

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no. it's fucking entertainment music. I've been trying to say this 10 fucking million times but.

the tech isn't that fucking democratised. ableton, logic et al aren't accessible to the blind. no junglist would have made jungle if they had to learn fucking supercollider.
 

thirdform

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It's a pleasure prison. I want that pleasure stripped away. I want people to feel like they are in a real prison. that's reality.
 

pattycakes_

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Not sure many people are gonna shell out 10 to 20 quid every weekend for that, third.

It was always about pleasure, even when it was good. People like to escape reality for a few hours. So what?
 

thirdform

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they don't escape reality, they get deceived into thinking they do. some polish woman getting a shit wage still has to clean up their baked beans and bacon mess.
 

thirdform

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it's just release of weeks anxieties, nothing more, nothing less.

i want people to realise that those anxieties need to be destroyed, not released.
 

thirdform

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there is no improvisation. droid wants to talk about the tyranny of 130. that seems to be sidestepping the issue for me. I'd like to talk about the tyranny of the 4-4 time signature.
 
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thirdform

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like this is the stuff that seems to be doing it for me at the moment but the learning curve is very steep.

 
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pattycakes_

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You never felt a sense of forgetting all your woes while being carried away by music? I know I have. Also what has the cleaner got to do with it? Which London club is serving food? I only ever saw that here in deutschland.

What's wrong with releasing a week's worth of anxiety?

Are you saying a less pleasure based clubbing experience would destroy anxiety?
 

thirdform

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You never felt a sense of forgetting all your woes while being carried away by music? I know I have. Also what has the cleaner got to do with it? Which London club is serving food? I only ever saw that here in deutschland.

What's wrong with releasing a week's worth of anxiety?

Are you saying a less pleasure based clubbing experience would destroy anxiety?


is just zombie. it's polite sexy adorable orgasm cop.
 

thirdform

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You never felt a sense of forgetting all your woes while being carried away by music? I know I have.

Sure but that is not exclusive to the club and more than not requires being drugged or drunk to the eyeballs to achieve. I've had those transcendent moments more in isolation. nothings wrong with that but people make it to happen every time you go clubbing but 9 times out of 10 club nights are average. maybe the alchemy clicks once every three years, if that.

Also what has the cleaner got to do with it? Which London club is serving food? I only ever saw that here in deutschland.

Not just the cleaner, the bar tender who has to get pummelled by monotonous berghain techno whilst being harrassed by etonian lads trying to be flirty. the cleaner who has to go into stinky toilets (club toilets are some of the worst in the world.) the person who has to clear out all the glasses. all the low level security who are rendered appendages to a legalised criminal syndicate. the woman sitting in front of the ticket scanner for 7 hours just pressing a button. fucking boring.

Are you saying a less pleasure based clubbing experience would destroy anxiety?


no, i want to make the anxiety more intense. I want to purge rave of all its recuperated idealism. I want real music that speaks beyond the club. the binary is so old now.
 
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thirdform

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apologies raoul i was a bit pissed off with the local authorities telling me to monetise my accessibility disability troubles again.

basically I'm not against pleasure what I'm against is that pleasure in medicine form. i think people should be mixing afrobeat with jungle with hardcore acid with electro with experimental broken electronics with italo with house with free jazz with flashcore in the same set. the technology is available to do it. People like blackdown criticised this approach back in the day of being disjointed, but if you make no room for the disjointed then there is inevitable standardisation and economisation, as me and Luke have said. like who killed jungle, the djs or the producers? hard to tell isn't it. Droid leans more to the producers in the debate. i tend to lean more to the djs. but there is truth in both aspects. that's the dialectic after all.

now you can say they are doing this in deconstructed club, but they aren't really. that's just nelli fertado edits over noise or hardstyle. it's quite bait. I'm talking about something far more bipolar and schizophrenic. like darkside hardcore sampling absolutely everything to give you a disorienting experience. that's what I want to see in club music today.
 
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