Conceptronica
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You should print that on a shirt and sell it to ironic art persons.
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
idk but I've gotten that impression over the years (sorry if I'm mischaracterizing you slothrop)
and I just mean someone who has actual training/has worked in, or at least has a truly deep self-taught knowledge of the field
I love painting etc but I just don't know it like I do music
and I just mean someone who has actual training/has worked in, or at least has a truly deep self-taught knowledge of the field
I love painting etc but I just don't know it like I do music
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
my apologies, as stated
I didn't mean it to sound derogatory (kinda in the same way "conceptronica" does in fact)
I just seemed to remember you discussing the fine arts or modern art or whatever like you actually knew what the hell you were talking about
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
I would 100% both buy and wear an "I am 100% not a real art person"
actually that should probably be the first design when we start our world-conquering Dissensus T-shirt line
actually that should probably be the first design when we start our world-conquering Dissensus T-shirt line
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
conceptronica done right
Slothrop
Tight but Polite
No offence taken, but I'm pretty sure you're thinking of someone else.
On the roots of conceptronica, I guess the Velvets are the ultimate antecedent - literally Warhol proteges. And maybe the No Wave scene? Or is that a situation where the art crowd that the music was associated with was itself non-institutional / outsider / broke, and hence a different thing?
What about TG?
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
Velvets are a good shout, albeit they had an antagonistic relationship with Warhol, more a kind of mutual exploitation
better yet would I think be their forerunners in the NYC avant world
both direct - La Monte Young (whence John Cale), and indirect - the entire Fluxus scene, Joseph Beuys, Nam June Paik, etc
which brings you back to John Cage
and further back to possibly the original conceptronica - the modernists
specifically Luigi Russolo and the Art of Noises
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
yes
Cabaret Voltaire as well
named ofc after the seminal Dada nightclub, invoking founding conceptronica boi Tristan Tzara
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
Duchamp, definitely. Fountain is prime conceptronica avant la lettre.
Dali, especially if you ever seen clips of him doing performative Dali in interviews and on game shows
Dali, especially if you ever seen clips of him doing performative Dali in interviews and on game shows
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
definitely
Slothrop
Tight but Polite
I think Bowie and the KLF cover the high-concept half the equation, but they both pretty much punted themselves directly to music-focused audiences. They both had an art / high concept angle, but they weren't dependent on the art world for sustenance. (This roughly applies to Drexciya, too, AFAIK.)
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
it seems like conceptronica can't predate modernism tho?
conceptronica requires both sufficient density of academic theory and the infrastructure of a largely self-contained "art world" contained by but differentiated from art in general
which to my (possibly incorrect) understanding, comes in largely with modernism
partially as a reaction to art in general becoming more accessible to the masses throughout the latter half of the 19th century
conceptronica requires both sufficient density of academic theory and the infrastructure of a largely self-contained "art world" contained by but differentiated from art in general
which to my (possibly incorrect) understanding, comes in largely with modernism
partially as a reaction to art in general becoming more accessible to the masses throughout the latter half of the 19th century
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
Brian Eno definitely
art background, high concept, has always dabbled in other media - including installation art - and multimedia projects
in fact he has a pretty solid claim as the father of modern conceptronica
art background, high concept, has always dabbled in other media - including installation art - and multimedia projects
in fact he has a pretty solid claim as the father of modern conceptronica
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
this is why I think we'd be much better off looking for antecedents in fine art, where artists are by definition dependent on the art world for sustenance
until recently there were multiple better financial strategies in music, so it's only recently that musicians have started looking to the art world in that way
I'd bet almost all the musical examples you'll find in the pre-streaming/downloading era would be classically trained composers in the academic/art world
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