The internet's impact on music megathread
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Corpsey
bandz ahoy
Whether or not you think they're good (or started off good then went off the boil) shows like The Sopranos, Mad Men, Breaking Bad, Succession, Better Call Saul, Game of Thrones etc. are bigger cultural landmarks than most mainstream films have been in the last two decades.
And economically speaking, cinemas can only get people to turn up and pay up for big franchises like Marvel or nostalgic remakes like Top Gun.
These prestige dramas aren't the same thing as films, of course, they're a different beast -- more collaboratively written and directed, emphasising narrative and character over visual flair, prone to more missteps over a length of 50-60 hours.
It's also notable that although they're tailor made for the binge watching streaming era, there's something slightly counterintuitive about long form narrative which requires you to follow a complex story with a big cast of characters over dozens of hours being so successful in this time of alleged shrinking attention spans.
But here I'm comparing these shows to mainstream films like the Godfather, not to more experimental fare. Not sure if TV is producing anything in that vein? Perhaps the budgets required to do that would make it impossible. (Whereas an experimental film can be shot for relatively cheap I imagine?)
And economically speaking, cinemas can only get people to turn up and pay up for big franchises like Marvel or nostalgic remakes like Top Gun.
These prestige dramas aren't the same thing as films, of course, they're a different beast -- more collaboratively written and directed, emphasising narrative and character over visual flair, prone to more missteps over a length of 50-60 hours.
It's also notable that although they're tailor made for the binge watching streaming era, there's something slightly counterintuitive about long form narrative which requires you to follow a complex story with a big cast of characters over dozens of hours being so successful in this time of alleged shrinking attention spans.
But here I'm comparing these shows to mainstream films like the Godfather, not to more experimental fare. Not sure if TV is producing anything in that vein? Perhaps the budgets required to do that would make it impossible. (Whereas an experimental film can be shot for relatively cheap I imagine?)
Corpsey
bandz ahoy
That's a fascinating thing too, the omnipresence of commentary and discussion online.
Music I suppose has a "discourse" surrounding it, too, but it seems like for the most part it doesn't mean as much as it used to, it's just consumable entertainment, soundtracking Tik Toks etc.
Music I suppose has a "discourse" surrounding it, too, but it seems like for the most part it doesn't mean as much as it used to, it's just consumable entertainment, soundtracking Tik Toks etc.
Corpsey
bandz ahoy
There's still a relatively high bar of entry to make a film/TV show. You can make something on your iPhone of course but for the most part you're going to need a degree of investment to produce something.
Or maybe I'm wrong, maybe there are loads of ultra low budget homemade films out there but they're just not getting covered by Rotten Tomatoes.
Or maybe I'm wrong, maybe there are loads of ultra low budget homemade films out there but they're just not getting covered by Rotten Tomatoes.
linebaugh
Well-known member
Its hard to talk about music when the genres that are making waves are so far apart from eachother. What exactly do hyper pop fans have to talk to anyone else about? And since the genres are so niche all the artists invovled are buddy buddy and likely even collaborators. Bladee became a genre unto himself because he brought up ten people with him. You dont get that same competitive dynamic that breeds discussion
Corpsey
bandz ahoy
It's funny, as soon as the internet appears its no longer possible (or at least no longer easy) to delude yourself that that artist you think is the most incredible and important in the world is considered so by everyone else
Was that ever the case? Maybe not, but dig around on the internet and you'll definitely come across hundreds of people saying that thing you love is a pile of shit and you're a paedo for loving it
Was that ever the case? Maybe not, but dig around on the internet and you'll definitely come across hundreds of people saying that thing you love is a pile of shit and you're a paedo for loving it
This can go the other way too. Having to come up with some reason for them being 'problematic' so your dismissal's justified and doesn't get shouted down by the 'let people enjoy things' crowd.
I remember seeing someone review a book on YouTube and start chucking accusations of various political missteps at the author despite them being a fan of other authors who've made similar missteps. Just seemed like someone who didn't know how to vocalise their dislike without falling back on politics as a defense mechanism.
This seems to be a product of the poptimism thing. The only way one thing can be worse than another is if you can come up with a political reason or personal misconduct on the part of the artist, so people are always on the lookout for dirt they can point to when they slag them off.
sus
Moderator
Ben Hur is incredible
Every other opinion you've voiced in this thread, while wrong, is excusable
This one is not
shakahislop
Well-known member
there's a load of new artforms around that we're trying to get to grips with: tweets, podcasts, reddit posts, tiktok dances, insta, porn, etc. but there's a strong boundary around older forms of art which doesn't let new forms be considered as part of the same thing,.
WashYourHands
Cat Malogen
Jfc you hapless Amish black hole of cognitive pus, you’re out of your depth with music. Nothing personal, it‘s got so bad I wonder why you haven’t been banned from the music sub entirely. Threads on shitpost tracks some lass you’re into likes or plain cluttering litter from mandolin warblers in the coffee house culvert?
Discussion can move, you see, around where certain demographics get their kicks. If we compare what individuals on this small section of the earth listen to we’d find overlaps and different personal picks, a vast range overall. Not only that, we see converging and diverging interests in film and literature, how they’re sourced and consumed, how they came to your attention. Box office £? Joanna Newsom? Stfu patriot
Discussion can move, you see, around where certain demographics get their kicks. If we compare what individuals on this small section of the earth listen to we’d find overlaps and different personal picks, a vast range overall. Not only that, we see converging and diverging interests in film and literature, how they’re sourced and consumed, how they came to your attention. Box office £? Joanna Newsom? Stfu patriot