qwerty south
no use for a witticism
Is he antisemitic? What do you think?
Roger Waters
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qwerty south
no use for a witticism
Anti-zionism is not antisemitism
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
True, but it's unarguable that many strident anti-Zionists are also anti-Semites.
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
But yeah, I'll go out on a limb here and say that someone who obsesses over the idea that Israel is uniquely evil, to the exclusion of all other geopolitical conflicts and issues*, dresses up as a Nazi to make the point that "Israel is today's Nazi Germany" (oh wow bud, powerful point there, think of that all by yourself, did you?), describes wealthy Jewish political donors (but only Jewish ones) as "puppet-masters pulling the strings", and then bats off any criticism as having been orchestrated by "the Jewish lobby" probably just really, really, really fucking hates Jews.
*except when he takes time out from that to make himself a useful idiot for Russian fascism, like these pricks always do
Edit: I'd forgotten about the pig with the Star of David on it. I mean come on.
*except when he takes time out from that to make himself a useful idiot for Russian fascism, like these pricks always do
Edit: I'd forgotten about the pig with the Star of David on it. I mean come on.
maxi
Well-known member
Yeah there's nothing antisemitic in his criticism of Israel in itself, but it's the surrounding stuff that has seemed dodgy.
Like when he did a show with a giant pig with a star of david on it. That's a symbol to identify Jews generally, not just Israel.
This article presented some of his emails to his team during the planning behind that show. Yes it's the Israel Times, but if they're right about Waters confirming the email's authenticity then...
https://www.timesofisrael.com/roger...slur-after-film-exposes-antisemitic-comments/
“Hey Guys, Who’s going to make pig?” Rogers wrote in the email, referring to a large inflatable pig that drifts over the audience at his concerts. Waters said he “imagined” the pig plastered with slogans including “dirty kyke,” a deeply offensive, racist term for Jewish people.
He also suggested writing dollar signs, “follow the money,” “scum,” a “crescent and star,” and Stars of David on the pig, among other slogans and symbols, according to the film.
In a Friday statement posted to his website and shared on X, Waters appeared to confirm that the email was genuine, and did not apologize for using the term.
“The offensive words I referenced in quotes in an email 13 years ago, were my brainstorming ideas on how to make the evils and horrors of fascism and extremism apparent and shocking to a generation that may not fully appreciate the ever-present threat,” Waters said. “They are not the manifestation of any underlying bigotry as the film suggests. Quite the opposite.”
...
So yeah pretty dodgy. None of this helps the Palestinian cause either as it just makes all his legit criticisms easy for Israel defenders to dismiss as motivated by antisemitism (which they will attempt to do even without evidence anyway, but still, he makes it extra easy for them)
Like when he did a show with a giant pig with a star of david on it. That's a symbol to identify Jews generally, not just Israel.
This article presented some of his emails to his team during the planning behind that show. Yes it's the Israel Times, but if they're right about Waters confirming the email's authenticity then...
https://www.timesofisrael.com/roger...slur-after-film-exposes-antisemitic-comments/
“Hey Guys, Who’s going to make pig?” Rogers wrote in the email, referring to a large inflatable pig that drifts over the audience at his concerts. Waters said he “imagined” the pig plastered with slogans including “dirty kyke,” a deeply offensive, racist term for Jewish people.
He also suggested writing dollar signs, “follow the money,” “scum,” a “crescent and star,” and Stars of David on the pig, among other slogans and symbols, according to the film.
In a Friday statement posted to his website and shared on X, Waters appeared to confirm that the email was genuine, and did not apologize for using the term.
“The offensive words I referenced in quotes in an email 13 years ago, were my brainstorming ideas on how to make the evils and horrors of fascism and extremism apparent and shocking to a generation that may not fully appreciate the ever-present threat,” Waters said. “They are not the manifestation of any underlying bigotry as the film suggests. Quite the opposite.”
...
So yeah pretty dodgy. None of this helps the Palestinian cause either as it just makes all his legit criticisms easy for Israel defenders to dismiss as motivated by antisemitism (which they will attempt to do even without evidence anyway, but still, he makes it extra easy for them)
william_kent
Well-known member
So... supports Palestine because it's under threat from Israel, but castigates anyone for suggesting that Taiwan is under threat from the CCP
The guy's an idiot
The guy's an idiot
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
That would be the Syria that's killed about twice as many Palestinians as Israel has since the civil war started in 2011 (if, for some weird reason, you cared exclusively about Palestinians, and gave no heed at all to the half-million-odd other people killed in the war, or the millions made homeless, or all the victims of Assad's torture dungeons, etc.).
Then there's his beyond-cringe "open letter" to Zelenskyy, basically asking him to hand his country over to Uncle Vlad in the name of "peace."
The guy is the living epitome of the most embarrassing, racist excesses of so-called "anti-imperialist" politics.
mixed_biscuits
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Anti-Brexit, TDS sufferer, Bolsonaro basher, Commie dad, make no mistake Waters has drunk the far left Kool-Aid as far as anti-semitism goes.
What's even more disgraceful is that he has Jewish grandsons and grandparents who lived in Golders Green. The least he could be is a bit more discreet!
What's even more disgraceful is that he has Jewish grandsons and grandparents who lived in Golders Green. The least he could be is a bit more discreet!
qwerty south
no use for a witticism
The pig had other symbols on it like the Shell Oil logo
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Oh well that's OK then!
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Nothing related to antisemitism here, but this is funny as fuck.
loudwire.com
Roger Waters Allegedly Tells Crowd to 'F--k Off' During Show, Fans Walk Out
It was his first performance of his reimagined 'The Dark Side of the Moon.'
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