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Logan, I see how you're pissed and it's true that people spend their money perhaps unwisely on weed, nikes, phones etc. but I think you may be going a bit far with it. You gotta remember that dressing flashy is classic behavior for people without a lot of dough or options. In fact, the expensive kicks and phones are often a band-aid over something missing. If you're poor, it get's really important to not look like you are. Then it becomes cultural and you're a wasteman if your sneakers aren't gleaming white. I think this pushes a lot of kids into dealing, criminality etc. You have to keep up a certain level of appearance, especially if you're an artist, and that can be really difficult to do with music money. Then again, almost no one is actually 'forced' to be a gangster, it is a choice.
One guy comes to mind though, we were talking about gangs and how it seems people are trying to bring blood and crip style gangbanging to London (bad idea). His mom was a gang banger. You can't deny that if that is your background that is gonna put a major slant on your whole situation, and you might very well make similar bad decisions, although that wasn't his response.
As I said upthread I think the whole gangsterism era in rap is getting old and I hope we'll see some new ideas and values soon. I'm getting tired of it and I don't think it's great for the kids either.
I'm hoping maybe Hyphy will save us all and people will be too busy running next to their cars wearing oversize sunglasses to shoot at each other.
One guy comes to mind though, we were talking about gangs and how it seems people are trying to bring blood and crip style gangbanging to London (bad idea). His mom was a gang banger. You can't deny that if that is your background that is gonna put a major slant on your whole situation, and you might very well make similar bad decisions, although that wasn't his response.
As I said upthread I think the whole gangsterism era in rap is getting old and I hope we'll see some new ideas and values soon. I'm getting tired of it and I don't think it's great for the kids either.
I'm hoping maybe Hyphy will save us all and people will be too busy running next to their cars wearing oversize sunglasses to shoot at each other.
mistersloane
heavy heavy monster sound
You all give Logan a hard time, he's just got a global perspective on things.
Logan Sama
BestThereIsAtWhatIDo
It's something considered to fit in. It is something considered because in their eyes it IS an easy option because they do not realise what wonderful opportunities there are in this country to get an education, qualifications and proper steady job.
I am not saying it is all the fault of the kids who choose to live this way, because it isn't. On the one hand you have these kids with no interest in working or making anything of themselves outside of the Spike Lee stereotype of Sports, Music or Drugs.
But on the other you have an education system and Government that has absolutely no idea how to engage these kids and has all but given up
These kids are only deprived of an introduction to how to function in this specific society.
It´s unreal to expect a whole generation to rediscover the wheel, but the previous generation can´t provide them with knowledge of the steps needed to achieve a healthy financial household and satisfaction in worklife (because they don´t have that knowledge).
The fact that there´s a strong culture of ´not caring´ (and really caring about not caring) from both sides does not help. Looking up to a shopowner/businessman/cartechnician/ taxidriver/etc is not on, whilest looking up to someone like that gives you an idea how to be happy with life and that job and the pay that comes with it. That´s a lot more powerful than looking up to footballer/drugdealer/rapper, because it´s real....it provides a base that lasts a whole lifetime.
I don´t see this problem as the fault of... or the responsibility of.... More a great opportunity and immense potential. For example if Logan `deals with them on a one on one basis and discovers articulate people with hopes and dreams´ , he´s probably the first to have taken time to listen to them and created an atmosphere in which they feel safe to express (maybe second after their mother). Encouragement or discouragement at such a moment can be lifechanging (with a longer term perspective). Although school can lay the basis for such a moment, nearly only informal occasions can create it. Making it hard for institutions to affect people in that way.
baboon2004
Darned cockwombles.
Surely many kids' apathy has come about largely as a result of a system that they (rightly) see as unfair, and loaded more and more in favour of those that have (especially with the drive to get every middle class kid into university, and with so many jobs requiring degrees to get anywhere near the shortlist).
As for the poverty question, surely it's a non-argument before we can agree on what constitutes poverty - not having enough to eat/nowhere to live, or having that but lacking any kind of real opportunity to 'get anywhere in life'?
As a side point, referring back to your dismissal of '"gangster" stereotypes', I can't help but wonder what you think of tunes such as Wiley's 'Gangsterz'...
Logan Sama
BestThereIsAtWhatIDo
There clearly are real Gangsters in the UK.
The proliferance of kids who believe they are ones in the making is what gets to me. Most of these kids lack the basic grasp of what Gangsterism is, and that is to make money!
The proliferance of kids who believe they are ones in the making is what gets to me. Most of these kids lack the basic grasp of what Gangsterism is, and that is to make money!
DJ Lioness
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People must think the monthly subscription for Sky is equivalent or even substantially more than a morgage, it's not. It's probably not even a quarter of that. And having a pair of Nike or Prada you got from someone you par with for £40 to feel some sort of societal worth (materially) again doesn't mean that you aren't surviving on money well below the actual cost of living. This is why they sell weed and various other drugs to make money and buy things that make them look 'street rich' because an honest living cant portray the same illusion. And yes that's all it is, an illusion. But like I always say it's easy to make judgements from the outside when you've been priviledged never to have gone through it yourself!
These yout's you're always with are probably the ones never without fresh kicks/clothes who drive sick cars, live at home with mumzy pushing 25-30 and dont look after their kids properly. That's just a statistic of the state of the sorry country we live in not well off.
You know that's actually called a self-fulfilling prophecy. People are conditioned, and to a great degree taught, to think that this is all they're capable of so they believe it. You only have to read RWD forum see how assimilated young people who listen to Grime are and how they cling on to every word certain people say, when 90% of the time if they were guided to think for themselves they'd know how to pick and chose what relates to them.
And why would you want to be a part of an education system where nothing relates to you anyway? The 'system' is there for a reason, and its working bloody well dont worry about that!
These yout's you're always with are probably the ones never without fresh kicks/clothes who drive sick cars, live at home with mumzy pushing 25-30 and dont look after their kids properly. That's just a statistic of the state of the sorry country we live in not well off.
You know that's actually called a self-fulfilling prophecy. People are conditioned, and to a great degree taught, to think that this is all they're capable of so they believe it. You only have to read RWD forum see how assimilated young people who listen to Grime are and how they cling on to every word certain people say, when 90% of the time if they were guided to think for themselves they'd know how to pick and chose what relates to them.
And why would you want to be a part of an education system where nothing relates to you anyway? The 'system' is there for a reason, and its working bloody well dont worry about that!
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Logan Sama
BestThereIsAtWhatIDo
I agree that people are conditioned to think that is all they are worth and all they can do. And that is what I want to see change.
And when a Sky subscription everymonth is the same as the weekly JSA it is an extravagance that could be spared.
The fact these kids have such low self esteem that they have to cover themselves in over priced brand names and send out an image into the world of being a mysoginistic badman just so they can feel they have the respect of their peers saddens me.
And when a Sky subscription everymonth is the same as the weekly JSA it is an extravagance that could be spared.
The fact these kids have such low self esteem that they have to cover themselves in over priced brand names and send out an image into the world of being a mysoginistic badman just so they can feel they have the respect of their peers saddens me.
DJ Lioness
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Yeah because you wear Ascot and Nicks and shop in Primark not worrying about people taking you seriously or respecting you less because of who you are and the way you look.
Please can i come and live with you, it sounds so nice and uncomplicated over there?
Please can i come and live with you, it sounds so nice and uncomplicated over there?
Logan Sama
BestThereIsAtWhatIDo
I normally buy my jeans from Gap or Next, and I have plenty of Primark and Matalan tops!
And stop being sarky!
And stop being sarky!
DJ Lioness
Well-known member
It was unintentional 
Your views on peoples standard of living are so annoyingly conservative though.
Your views on peoples standard of living are so annoyingly conservative though.
Logan Sama
BestThereIsAtWhatIDo
Not really, you just like to pick out the conservativism in them. Much like you always look for my sarcasm!
Anyways....
Anyways....
DJ Lioness
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Big set featuring Dj Bossman -- MC´s Snipekeedo, Seb zero, Messy, Little Dee, P Money.
Quite a few riddims that i haven´t heard in a long time. Spitting is quite good as well (fast pace, but quality).
Found it on Rwd forum.
this set is bananas, thanks for the tip! RAAAAH
i kno bare kids overseas here that have the same thing with spending habits and i think the key is that they all live at home. Personally all of them dont have responsibility of paying rent and stuff so when they get money and you live at home and you dont have bills to make obviously your going to blow it like a teenager (if you are one or not). I moved home to pay off my student loans for a year and mannn i blew money on stupid stuff like i bought a lasonic ghettoblaster...i didnt need that....bought some nike dunks that put me back a couple bills...
but its also that the money they do make doesnt give them enough to go out and live on there own when it costs so much in cities to live these days..not just london.
btw: newham generals mixtape out in record shops now....go spend your "hard earned" money in your fav shops now!
but its also that the money they do make doesnt give them enough to go out and live on there own when it costs so much in cities to live these days..not just london.
btw: newham generals mixtape out in record shops now....go spend your "hard earned" money in your fav shops now!