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Can UK Hip Hop/Grime Blow Up In The States?
- Thread starter Poisonous Dart
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Poisonous Dart said:I typed up an answer to this that was so long that I lost my connection after the message that my post was 3x too large to post...I have DSL so that is indeed a feat. I lost my entire message, damn! Well, I'll try to summarize:
Crunk isn't important to Hip Hop. It moves units so it's important to record companies. As far as Hip Hop goes, things/artists that are important to it right now aren't popular or generating money. The majority of music consumers are revelling in the ignorance and novelty of a Lil' Jon, Lil' Scrappy or Trillville and buying it up. The Bill O' Reilly's of the world see these artists and think that they are a fair representation of our ENTIRE CULTURE. That, in turn, makes me detest Crunk music. Mos Def and Talib Kweli would have to murder someone to get on a video channel right now, but the Three 6 Mafia's "So Fly" gets played 50 times a day. Whatever. One.
is yr probelm with crunk the style or the message? if it's the message, then you should have a problem with 50 cent, snoop dogg, and jay z, b/c lyrically they talk as much negative shit as any crunk artist... if it's the music, you need to open your ears... there's room for everything... i first heard lil jon when he did a remix for capleton, feat method man in 1995. he used the hard to handle/symphony beat. dude knows his hip hop history. when i heard his crunk stuff, it was a great new sound. i love showbiz and AG AND project pat...
it's all good music man... don't be a northeast snob. the reason Stay Fly is TV 50 times a day is that it's a dope song that's catchy as hell. yes,it would be great if political artists got shine, shit i'd love to see Dead Prez on MTV (and they sound kinda crunk, musically...), but that's never been the way the world works...
Logan Sama
BestThereIsAtWhatIDo
The difference between the US and the UK is it's size mainly.
Crunk and East Coast Hip hop are separated by an entire time zone. Most current UKHH and Grime is separated by at most a couple of miles.
So although sonically the parallel may hold weight, musical genres are not simply the sum of it's audio.
Crunk and East Coast Hip hop are separated by an entire time zone. Most current UKHH and Grime is separated by at most a couple of miles.
So although sonically the parallel may hold weight, musical genres are not simply the sum of it's audio.
Poisonous Dart
Lone Swordsman
I do.
I do have a problem with 50 Cent, Fabolous, Snoop Dogg, Paul Wall, Lil' Wayne, Mike Jones, Ying Yang Twins and the list goes on because of their content and message (moreso the LACK of a message) in their collective music. To find someone who loves Showbiz & A.G. AND Project Pat is a RARE OCCURENCE. You can be a Brand Nubian, Public Enemy and a N.W.A., Ice T fan but I haven't run across many Beatnuts AND UGK fans...usually No Limit fans have never heard a Company Flow or Latryx track in their lives...never the twain shall meet. I do remember when Lil' Jon was an A & R and producer back in the early to mid 90's in Atlanta working with Rowdy, So So Def and LaFace records, yes he DOES know his Hip Hop....when then did he utter the words "Fuck Hip Hop. We don't give a fuck about Hip Hop...we just reppin' dat Crunk/Dirty South sound!" when he was interviewed in The Ave magazine in 2004? That being the case WHY RECRUIT REPUTED EAST COAST LYRICAL EMCEES TO RECORD ON YOUR ALBUMS? Trust me, I'm not closeminded or ignorant when it comes to music...I have to know about it, hear it and know the culture/history of it to type or vocalize that I detest any kind of music. I'd NEVER speak harshly of Chamber music or Opera because I don't know enough about it...I'd just not listen to it and call it a day. One.
petergunn said:is yr probelm with crunk the style or the message? if it's the message, then you should have a problem with 50 cent, snoop dogg, and jay z, b/c lyrically they talk as much negative shit as any crunk artist... if it's the music, you need to open your ears... there's room for everything... i first heard lil jon when he did a remix for capleton, feat method man in 1995. he used the hard to handle/symphony beat. dude knows his hip hop history. when i heard his crunk stuff, it was a great new sound. i love showbiz and AG AND project pat...
it's all good music man... don't be a northeast snob. the reason Stay Fly is TV 50 times a day is that it's a dope song that's catchy as hell. yes,it would be great if political artists got shine, shit i'd love to see Dead Prez on MTV (and they sound kinda crunk, musically...), but that's never been the way the world works...
I do have a problem with 50 Cent, Fabolous, Snoop Dogg, Paul Wall, Lil' Wayne, Mike Jones, Ying Yang Twins and the list goes on because of their content and message (moreso the LACK of a message) in their collective music. To find someone who loves Showbiz & A.G. AND Project Pat is a RARE OCCURENCE. You can be a Brand Nubian, Public Enemy and a N.W.A., Ice T fan but I haven't run across many Beatnuts AND UGK fans...usually No Limit fans have never heard a Company Flow or Latryx track in their lives...never the twain shall meet. I do remember when Lil' Jon was an A & R and producer back in the early to mid 90's in Atlanta working with Rowdy, So So Def and LaFace records, yes he DOES know his Hip Hop....when then did he utter the words "Fuck Hip Hop. We don't give a fuck about Hip Hop...we just reppin' dat Crunk/Dirty South sound!" when he was interviewed in The Ave magazine in 2004? That being the case WHY RECRUIT REPUTED EAST COAST LYRICAL EMCEES TO RECORD ON YOUR ALBUMS? Trust me, I'm not closeminded or ignorant when it comes to music...I have to know about it, hear it and know the culture/history of it to type or vocalize that I detest any kind of music. I'd NEVER speak harshly of Chamber music or Opera because I don't know enough about it...I'd just not listen to it and call it a day. One.
Poisonous Dart said:To find someone who loves Showbiz & A.G. AND Project Pat is a RARE OCCURENCE.
yes he DOES know his Hip Hop....why then did he utter the words "Fuck Hip Hop. We don't give a fuck about Hip Hop...we just reppin' dat Crunk/Dirty South sound!" when he was interviewed in The Ave magazine in 2004? That being the case WHY RECRUIT REPUTED EAST COAST LYRICAL EMCEES TO RECORD ON YOUR ALBUMS? .
I doubt it's rare at all to find people who rock East, West, AND South. Indie AND commercial. count me in as atleast one more. I've got many friends who do too. I bump Show+AG, Mobb Deep, Mos Def, Doom, Dead Prez, Wu, Tupac, UGK, Lil Wayne, Chamillionaire, 3-6, etc, etc, all on the regular. but right now the south gettin more love cuz I just can't stop rockin' that dirty shit. I reach for it like a glass pipe...
Lil Jon just sayin' that shit to get attention. how can anyone take statements like that seriously?
Let's all go read the Wikipedia articles on Structuralism and New Criticism and agree that we don't need to have this argument for the millionth time.
Poisonous Dart
Lone Swordsman
Read 'em.
I read 'em both thoroughly....I still like Grime and I still think Crunk sucks...let's all agree to disagree on that subject and focus on the question the thread poses....do you feel that the US is willing or will they EVER be willing to embrace a music genre that originated in London/UK (once again by "blow up" I don't mean become popular in a 50 Cent manner, either)? One.
I read 'em both thoroughly....I still like Grime and I still think Crunk sucks...let's all agree to disagree on that subject and focus on the question the thread poses....do you feel that the US is willing or will they EVER be willing to embrace a music genre that originated in London/UK (once again by "blow up" I don't mean become popular in a 50 Cent manner, either)? One.
poison dart: you are the original new york hiphop hater. Why does New York feel the need to lock down everyone else's style and say it's 'not real'? This is what Lil Jon is responding to when he says Fuck Hiphop. New York hiphop in some circles has become orthodox and conservative. It's too much man. Let people take the music and do something else with it. Crunk brings a whole new energy into hiphop, of rowdiness and excitement. Hiphop got a little too weeded and introspective in NY for a while there for me, and for a lot of people. Music doesn't always have to be deep poetry and lyrical-irical to be successful.
Also there's a question of goals, Crunk is a lot more club and dancefloor geared. Would you dis 2 Live Crew because they weren't kicking righteousness and scientific technology?
And there are many people who like long lists of underground new york rap artists as well as crunk, bass music, grime, dancehall, ghetto tek etc etc.
The Beatnuts were great but I can't believe you're dissing UGK, that's just crazy. I guess you didn't check out Bun B's last record.
Also there's a question of goals, Crunk is a lot more club and dancefloor geared. Would you dis 2 Live Crew because they weren't kicking righteousness and scientific technology?
And there are many people who like long lists of underground new york rap artists as well as crunk, bass music, grime, dancehall, ghetto tek etc etc.
The Beatnuts were great but I can't believe you're dissing UGK, that's just crazy. I guess you didn't check out Bun B's last record.
Poisonous Dart
Lone Swordsman
Here To Save You All....
Exactly. You're right. It doesn't have to be deep and introspective to be liked or be successful. We DO need variety in music. I like a variety of hip hop acts and music genres. I just don't like Crunk...it doesn't appeal to me on any level. Early hip hop was completely party and dance oriented and I love it. Slum Village and Lawless Element aren't lyrical on any level and I love their music. Hip hop has a WIDE SPRECTRUM AND DIASPORA OF ARTISTS/STYLES...Crunk doesn't. There are no introspective or lyrical Crunk artists with Knowledge Of Self, it's just the truth.
Uhh.. I DO diss them for that reason. I NEVER liked 2 Live Crew. Their music had nothing to offer and was lyrically and musically devoid of any substance. So yes..I did in the past and I continue to now.
I'm well aware. I actually like ALL of those forms of music EXCEPT FOR Crunk and Bass music. I need some degree of substance and purpose in my music/art/books/films...it's just the kind of person I am.
To answer your last question: Nope. I haven't checked for any UGK material since "Tighter Than A Virgin"..I kept hearing about them from my relatives in Alabama. I wasn't impressed by Pimp C OR Bun B then I still remain unimpressed with their music and lyrics to this day. Oh, and The Beatnuts WEREN'T great...they STILL ARE. One.
SIZZLE said:poison dart: you are the original new york hiphop hater. Why does New York feel the need to lock down everyone else's style and say it's 'not real'? This is what Lil Jon is responding to when he says Fuck Hiphop. New York hiphop in some circles has become orthodox and conservative. It's too much man. Let people take the music and do something else with it. Crunk brings a whole new energy into hiphop, of rowdiness and excitement. Hiphop got a little too weeded and introspective in NY for a while there for me, and for a lot of people. Music doesn't always have to be deep poetry and lyrical-irical to be successful.
Also there's a question of goals, Crunk is a lot more club and dancefloor geared. Would you dis 2 Live Crew because they weren't kicking righteousness and scientific technology?
And there are many people who like long lists of underground new york rap artists as well as crunk, bass music, grime, dancehall, ghetto tek etc etc.
The Beatnuts were great but I can't believe you're dissing UGK, that's just crazy. I guess you didn't check out Bun B's last record.
Exactly. You're right. It doesn't have to be deep and introspective to be liked or be successful. We DO need variety in music. I like a variety of hip hop acts and music genres. I just don't like Crunk...it doesn't appeal to me on any level. Early hip hop was completely party and dance oriented and I love it. Slum Village and Lawless Element aren't lyrical on any level and I love their music. Hip hop has a WIDE SPRECTRUM AND DIASPORA OF ARTISTS/STYLES...Crunk doesn't. There are no introspective or lyrical Crunk artists with Knowledge Of Self, it's just the truth.
Uhh.. I DO diss them for that reason. I NEVER liked 2 Live Crew. Their music had nothing to offer and was lyrically and musically devoid of any substance. So yes..I did in the past and I continue to now.
I'm well aware. I actually like ALL of those forms of music EXCEPT FOR Crunk and Bass music. I need some degree of substance and purpose in my music/art/books/films...it's just the kind of person I am.
To answer your last question: Nope. I haven't checked for any UGK material since "Tighter Than A Virgin"..I kept hearing about them from my relatives in Alabama. I wasn't impressed by Pimp C OR Bun B then I still remain unimpressed with their music and lyrics to this day. Oh, and The Beatnuts WEREN'T great...they STILL ARE. One.
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I have to say something, I've held it in for awhile. The way in which Grime is being presented and recieved in New York bakes my bean a bit. We've been running garage nights in Dallas for a while now and began presenting Grime to people as it filtered into UKG's eclectic format. We simply play the records, people enjoy them. Logan is right in a sense. As much as I enjoy reading Fader or Vice, this arthouse presentation of grime acts doesn't cut it. I feel it really detracts from the music itself and leaves stateside listeners with a false perception of the music and its culture. Hence Cooper's argument.
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Poisonous Dart said:Hip hop has a WIDE SPRECTRUM AND DIASPORA OF ARTISTS/STYLES...Crunk doesn't.
There are no introspective or lyrical Crunk artists with Knowledge Of Self, it's just the truth.
er... "crunk" is just a particular variety of the dirty south... which is a particular variety of hiphop... why is you comparing crunk to hiphop?
these fucked up times call for equally extreme and nihilistic measures/response in urban music.
one dimensional? maybe. ignant? maybe. but it delivers a much needed urgency and visceral expression, significant and meaningful beyond the dollars, drugs, guns, and hos in the lyrics.
racism at an all time high and the economy fucked up. maybe it is a music trapped in the oppressive confines of capitalism, but it is also a field of intensity which is immensely liberating.
and besides "crunk", southern hiphop displays a very wide array of emotions and styles.
and seriously. no no, really. the words you use to hate on "crunk": "gutteral noise" and "devoid of content", etc., are EXACTLY the same words used to denounce hiphop 30 years ago.
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Poisonous Dart said:I'm well aware. I actually like ALL of those forms of music EXCEPT FOR Crunk and Bass music. I need some degree of substance and purpose in my music/art/books/films...it's just the kind of person I am.
do you like those AV8 club records, yunno fatman scoop and stuff? same thing as crunk really, energetic club records... the purpose of club music is make you dance and lose yr shit, not ponder great issues...
hey, i like substance, too, sitting home and listening to leonard cohen and richard thompson and stuff, but let's be honest, when you're drunk in the club, "get low" sounds better than "my umi says"...
Poisonous Dart
Lone Swordsman
He's back!
I do love those AV8 records, Fatman Scoop/DJ Riz and The Crooklyn Clan, Stick E. & The Hoods, Dope On Plastic, Franchise Records, DJ Mark The 45 King's Breaks & Instrumentals, etc. I ALSO said that I love all different forms of HIP HOP..that includes HIP HOP/RAP FROM ALL REGIONS OF THE COUNTRY. Crunk generally is stuck in nuetral to me. Do I find the odd song here and there that I actually like by Lil' Scrappy, The Three 6 Mafia, etc.? Yes. Would I put down my own hard earned money to purchase a FULL ALBUM of it? HEEEELLL NO.
You are right about when you're drunk in the club..you want music that makes girls shake their asses..not to engage them in a cerebral conversation about the introduction of the Linn Drum and the TR 808 to rap music. I actually don't drink and now the only time I go to the club is if I'm performing there or handling business. "Umi Says" doesn't get the people charged on the dance floor, I'm well aware of that...however "Pow!", "When I'm Ere", "Sing Along" and "Typical Me" all DO. One.
petergunn said:do you like those AV8 club records, yunno fatman scoop and stuff? same thing as crunk really, energetic club records... the purpose of club music is make you dance and lose yr shit, not ponder great issues...
hey, i like substance, too, sitting home and listening to leonard cohen and richard thompson and stuff, but let's be honest, when you're drunk in the club, "get low" sounds better than "my umi says"...
I do love those AV8 records, Fatman Scoop/DJ Riz and The Crooklyn Clan, Stick E. & The Hoods, Dope On Plastic, Franchise Records, DJ Mark The 45 King's Breaks & Instrumentals, etc. I ALSO said that I love all different forms of HIP HOP..that includes HIP HOP/RAP FROM ALL REGIONS OF THE COUNTRY. Crunk generally is stuck in nuetral to me. Do I find the odd song here and there that I actually like by Lil' Scrappy, The Three 6 Mafia, etc.? Yes. Would I put down my own hard earned money to purchase a FULL ALBUM of it? HEEEELLL NO.
You are right about when you're drunk in the club..you want music that makes girls shake their asses..not to engage them in a cerebral conversation about the introduction of the Linn Drum and the TR 808 to rap music. I actually don't drink and now the only time I go to the club is if I'm performing there or handling business. "Umi Says" doesn't get the people charged on the dance floor, I'm well aware of that...however "Pow!", "When I'm Ere", "Sing Along" and "Typical Me" all DO. One.
Poisonous Dart
Lone Swordsman
Easy answer!
I PERSONALLY find substance in Grime. I PERSONALLY find substance in Anime/cartoons. I PERSONALLY like porn...not much redeeming social value or substance in it, is there? Why do I like it then? Because I JUST DO. People are complex creatures, with ideosyncrasies and multiple layers and opinions and likes and dislikes formed by individual and personal experiences. I can appreciate Busy Bee and Spoonie Gee's simplistic rhymes that rocked the party from beginning to end as well as Killah Priest's cerebral and complex verses. I love Group Home (although Malachi The Nutcracker and Lil' Dap's verses were often horrid and were only saved by Premier's production) and Nice & Smooth as well as Ras Kass. I actually can't stand Tech n9ne, I'm aware he's deep and lyrical and whatever but I can't stand his ass.
The same feeling you get when listening to Busta Rhymes, M.O.P., Non Phixion, Sizzla, Capleton, Bounty Killer, etc. is the same feeling I get from listening to Grime and Grime/Eski beats. Doug E. Fresh's Play album was pretty much devoid of any real lyrics other than some freestyled verses, beatboxes and call and response routines and I throughly enjoyed it...even though he didn't spit fire and drop jewels on it. Kool G Rap's verses are filled with violence, misogyny, sex and gun talk....I own all of his albums, vinyl and mixtapes! I like what I like and I think I'm entitled to. I respect all of your views because they are yours for a reason, respect mine. One.
gumdrops said:if poisonous dart likes 'substance' (a somewhat vague criteria at the best of times), what is he listening to grime for?
I PERSONALLY find substance in Grime. I PERSONALLY find substance in Anime/cartoons. I PERSONALLY like porn...not much redeeming social value or substance in it, is there? Why do I like it then? Because I JUST DO. People are complex creatures, with ideosyncrasies and multiple layers and opinions and likes and dislikes formed by individual and personal experiences. I can appreciate Busy Bee and Spoonie Gee's simplistic rhymes that rocked the party from beginning to end as well as Killah Priest's cerebral and complex verses. I love Group Home (although Malachi The Nutcracker and Lil' Dap's verses were often horrid and were only saved by Premier's production) and Nice & Smooth as well as Ras Kass. I actually can't stand Tech n9ne, I'm aware he's deep and lyrical and whatever but I can't stand his ass.
The same feeling you get when listening to Busta Rhymes, M.O.P., Non Phixion, Sizzla, Capleton, Bounty Killer, etc. is the same feeling I get from listening to Grime and Grime/Eski beats. Doug E. Fresh's Play album was pretty much devoid of any real lyrics other than some freestyled verses, beatboxes and call and response routines and I throughly enjoyed it...even though he didn't spit fire and drop jewels on it. Kool G Rap's verses are filled with violence, misogyny, sex and gun talk....I own all of his albums, vinyl and mixtapes! I like what I like and I think I'm entitled to. I respect all of your views because they are yours for a reason, respect mine. One.
Poisonous Dart said:Hip hop has a WIDE SPRECTRUM AND DIASPORA OF ARTISTS/STYLES...Crunk doesn't. There are no introspective or lyrical Crunk artists with Knowledge Of Self, it's just the truth.
To paraphrase Jay-Z, if you're only listening to the singles you're missing the point. Take David Banner's Missisippi LP. Yes, Like A Pimp was the single, but there were also Fire Fallin' From The Sky, an introspective track about Bush's racist execution record and the iraq war or Cadillacs On 22s which addresses the problem of conveying knowledge to the youth while still remaining relevant and competitive in a game that rewards ignorance. It's a heart wrenching track, and the message is something the NYC conscious movement should pay attention to. Spitting all that holier than thou finger waving talk alienates the at risk people they ideally should be trying to reach, while endearing itself to white backpackers and other bougie types because it's non-threatening and congratulates their feelings of self-righteousness. Outkast said it very well on Stankonia on the track with Erykah Badu, Andre ends his verse "Speeches only reaches those that already know about it/this is how we go about it".
On a different thought I've been listening to Santana's Fiend Out: Cooked Crack 3, which is pretty strong. The Dips have been one axis of UK/US collaboration, first SAS and now the NY Dips reportedly voicing a Dexplicity hiphop beat. Will be interesting to see how that develops. Also worth noting their large influence on the UK scene especially with this boards Ruff Squad fans, like rapid spitting 'look up to heatmakers more time' on his verse on Top Producer. Roll Deep are reportedly big fans as well.
Poisonous Dart
Lone Swordsman
Yeah, but....
I heard David Banner's album "Mississippi The Album AND MTA 2: Baptized In Holy Water..I was a David Banner fan back when he was in Crooked Lettaz on Penalty/Tommy Boy records with Kamikaze. He is an educated man who is conscious and he used to make songs about it....recently in an interview with a DVD magazine I was involved with called Blow DVD Magazine, they interviewed David Banner about his material and he blamed his low sales on himself making songs like "Fire Fallin' From The Sky" and "Cadillac On 22's". He said something to the effect of "the purpose of making music is to sell it....if I gotta make "Like A Pimp" parts 2 and 3 to eat then I'm making 'em, goddamn! That other conscious shit, you can record it and play it for yourself! You release it and you're gonna be broke!" That was dissapointing to hear a man I respected with a college degree who mentors children in Mississippi utter sentences like that....now what you got for me? I know Hip Hop inside and out and I can do that all day long....One.
SIZZLE said:To paraphrase Jay-Z, if you're only listening to the singles you're missing the point. Take David Banner's Missisippi LP. Yes, Like A Pimp was the single, but there were also Fire Fallin' From The Sky, an introspective track about Bush's racist execution record and the iraq war or Cadillacs On 22s which addresses the problem of conveying knowledge to the youth while still remaining relevant and competitive in a game that rewards ignorance. It's a heart wrenching track, and the message is something the NYC conscious movement should pay attention to. Spitting all that holier than thou finger waving talk alienates the at risk people they ideally should be trying to reach, while endearing itself to white backpackers and other bougie types because it's non-threatening and congratulates their feelings of self-righteousness. Outkast said it very well on Stankonia on the track with Erykah Badu, Andre ends his verse "Speeches only reaches those that already know about it/this is how we go about it".
On a different thought I've been listening to Santana's Fiend Out: Cooked Crack 3, which is pretty strong. The Dips have been one axis of UK/US collaboration, first SAS and now the NY Dips reportedly voicing a Dexplicity hiphop beat. Will be interesting to see how that develops. Also worth noting their large influence on the UK scene especially with this boards Ruff Squad fans, like rapid spitting 'look up to heatmakers more time' on his verse on Top Producer. Roll Deep are reportedly big fans as well.
I heard David Banner's album "Mississippi The Album AND MTA 2: Baptized In Holy Water..I was a David Banner fan back when he was in Crooked Lettaz on Penalty/Tommy Boy records with Kamikaze. He is an educated man who is conscious and he used to make songs about it....recently in an interview with a DVD magazine I was involved with called Blow DVD Magazine, they interviewed David Banner about his material and he blamed his low sales on himself making songs like "Fire Fallin' From The Sky" and "Cadillac On 22's". He said something to the effect of "the purpose of making music is to sell it....if I gotta make "Like A Pimp" parts 2 and 3 to eat then I'm making 'em, goddamn! That other conscious shit, you can record it and play it for yourself! You release it and you're gonna be broke!" That was dissapointing to hear a man I respected with a college degree who mentors children in Mississippi utter sentences like that....now what you got for me? I know Hip Hop inside and out and I can do that all day long....One.
Freakaholic
not just an addiction
Lady Sov i splaying the US's South by Southwest Festival. One of the biggest Indie fests here.
"As usual, the event will feature a strong contingent of U.K. and European buzz acts, including Annie, Arctic Monkeys, the Boy Least Likely To, the Duke Spirit, the Cribs, the Earlies, the Go! Team, Lady Sovereign, Mystery Jets, Towers Of London and the Magic Numbers."
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001699388
Could this be another step toward maindstream acceptance? The first international star?
"As usual, the event will feature a strong contingent of U.K. and European buzz acts, including Annie, Arctic Monkeys, the Boy Least Likely To, the Duke Spirit, the Cribs, the Earlies, the Go! Team, Lady Sovereign, Mystery Jets, Towers Of London and the Magic Numbers."
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001699388
Could this be another step toward maindstream acceptance? The first international star?
Logan Sama
BestThereIsAtWhatIDo
Dizzee is the first international star from our scene.
I've never heard of any of the other acts apart from Arctic Monkeys though, so I don't know how big they are in their respective fields.
I've never heard of any of the other acts apart from Arctic Monkeys though, so I don't know how big they are in their respective fields.
Freakaholic
not just an addiction
Another interesting article:
A US journalist interviews Plasticman and 1/2 of Vex'd.
http://www.dustedmagazine.com/features/397
The whole article was really interesting, but in light of this discussion, i found two points extremely...pointed.
First: pirate radio and the size of the country. There really isnt any pirate radio in the US, and internet radio is still pretty new, without the saturation of airwaves, and so is not influential in a cultural sense yet. Underground movements wallow in their own little local scenes, never breaking into anything more lasting.
Then there is this quote:
C: It was so simple. It was kind of what made me want to make tracks because I heard it and the fact that that track got so big, it was like everyone was like, I can make a tune like that, get Fruity Loops…it was built for MCs, totally. Everyone was kinda like, I’m gonna have a go at making a track like that. It’s simple, I can easily do it. And everyone downloaded Fruity loops who’d never made a tune in their lives, playing with Fruity Loops trying to make a tune. And then for about 6 months we had pure shit. A lot of the old school garage heads we like I can’t deal with this anymore, this is so shit, this tune ruined our whole scene. So all of the stuck up champagne-drinking tossers left the scene. And it introduced this music to a whole bunch of really young kids. 16 year olds who wanted to make music.
This sounds amazingly like the beginning of acid house, replacing Fruityloops with an 808, 909, or 303. Disco had gotten overproduced and was losing interest dude to its commercialization and the pver bearing presence of "Champagne-drinking, coke-snorting 20 year olds."
A US journalist interviews Plasticman and 1/2 of Vex'd.
http://www.dustedmagazine.com/features/397
The whole article was really interesting, but in light of this discussion, i found two points extremely...pointed.
First: pirate radio and the size of the country. There really isnt any pirate radio in the US, and internet radio is still pretty new, without the saturation of airwaves, and so is not influential in a cultural sense yet. Underground movements wallow in their own little local scenes, never breaking into anything more lasting.
Then there is this quote:
C: It was so simple. It was kind of what made me want to make tracks because I heard it and the fact that that track got so big, it was like everyone was like, I can make a tune like that, get Fruity Loops…it was built for MCs, totally. Everyone was kinda like, I’m gonna have a go at making a track like that. It’s simple, I can easily do it. And everyone downloaded Fruity loops who’d never made a tune in their lives, playing with Fruity Loops trying to make a tune. And then for about 6 months we had pure shit. A lot of the old school garage heads we like I can’t deal with this anymore, this is so shit, this tune ruined our whole scene. So all of the stuck up champagne-drinking tossers left the scene. And it introduced this music to a whole bunch of really young kids. 16 year olds who wanted to make music.
This sounds amazingly like the beginning of acid house, replacing Fruityloops with an 808, 909, or 303. Disco had gotten overproduced and was losing interest dude to its commercialization and the pver bearing presence of "Champagne-drinking, coke-snorting 20 year olds."