OK time to fess up
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sorry but I don't know what this means! I had to wiki Wesley Willis and I still don't understand...?
for the last time:
I am not arguing for some rigid, unchanging, old-testament criteria for the judgement of art set in marble.
the criteria changes all the time, and does not adhere to what ever position the "authority", whether the Roman Catholic Church or MOMA NY, takes on things.
I'm sure there are qualities about this man's work that makes it great, I don't have to list them for you becuase you know what they are. and these same qualities can be found in other work which is worth our while.
I am not arguing for some rigid, unchanging, old-testament criteria for the judgement of art set in marble.
the criteria changes all the time, and does not adhere to what ever position the "authority", whether the Roman Catholic Church or MOMA NY, takes on things.
I'm sure there are qualities about this man's work that makes it great, I don't have to list them for you becuase you know what they are. and these same qualities can be found in other work which is worth our while.
Looks to me that this is exactly what you are arguing for....
I think maybe you are confusing "art" with "craftsmanship".
I think that great craft can be great art. But "art" can also encompass things like "genius" or "divine intervention" or "protest" or "dadaism", things I suppose are very difficult to judge.
just by saying that it is "difficult" you are admitting that it is not impossible.
people do it EVERY FUCKING DAY. what does a collector of conceptual art spend $50,000 on? which post-dada prankster does a gallery represent?
these decisions are each based on a criteria. not everyone will agree, and it changes all the time, but there is always a criteria, and a lot of people will agree.
I don't think denial of this is a position that anyone in his right mind can take... hell, it's not even a position!
more stuff I don't understand...
*ahem*
I will use my fists to dispense abuse and blows if you do not concur that she is a extremely talented and gifted singer-songwriter...
capiche lol?
I will use my fists to dispense abuse and blows if you do not concur that she is a extremely talented and gifted singer-songwriter...
capiche lol?
Lankavatara Sutra
The words of the Buddha...
The mind-system which is the source of the evil out-flowings consists of the five sense-organs and their accompanying sense-minds (vijnanas) all of which are unified in the discriminating-mind (manovijnana). There is an unending succession of sense-concepts flowing into this discriminating or thinking-mind which combines them and discriminates them and passes judgement upon them as to their goodness or badness. Then follows aversion to or desire for them and attachment and deed; thus the entire system moves on continuously and closely bound together. But it fails to see and understand that what it sees and discriminates and grasps is only a manifestation of its own activity and has no other basis, and so the mind goes on erroneously perceiving and discriminating differences of forms and qualities, not remaining still even for a minute.
The words of the Buddha...
The mind-system which is the source of the evil out-flowings consists of the five sense-organs and their accompanying sense-minds (vijnanas) all of which are unified in the discriminating-mind (manovijnana). There is an unending succession of sense-concepts flowing into this discriminating or thinking-mind which combines them and discriminates them and passes judgement upon them as to their goodness or badness. Then follows aversion to or desire for them and attachment and deed; thus the entire system moves on continuously and closely bound together. But it fails to see and understand that what it sees and discriminates and grasps is only a manifestation of its own activity and has no other basis, and so the mind goes on erroneously perceiving and discriminating differences of forms and qualities, not remaining still even for a minute.
by the way...
Thanks for the give and take, Zhao. It's fun to argue (in the good sense) about things you are passionate about.
But I was wondering... what propted you to write your "Against Subjectivity" blogpost in the first place. Did you encounter some horrendous art in some gallery you paid big bucks to enter? Or did you hear one too many crap Chili Peppers song on the radio? What?
Thanks for the give and take, Zhao. It's fun to argue (in the good sense) about things you are passionate about.
But I was wondering... what propted you to write your "Against Subjectivity" blogpost in the first place. Did you encounter some horrendous art in some gallery you paid big bucks to enter? Or did you hear one too many crap Chili Peppers song on the radio? What?
I had heard that line one time too many. it was indeed at a horrendous "art" show, and I was like "this sucks ass" and this girl I was hanging out with says, you guessed it, "it's all subjective". we got into it and she absolutely refused to see my points...
the buddhist ideal is profound and is ultimately right, for the paths that we are all on...
but we do live in the real world, and absolute relativism in the realm of aesthetics is bothersome, but when it is applied to ethics and morality, is just horrifying.
I mean, raping and murdering a baby is just WRONG. period. and someone who does it should be punished. no ifs and buts about it.