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mos dan

fact music
is it just faux-wisdom after the event that makes me think we should have seen sovereign's US success coming?

it just rather confirms all my suspicions about the US industry's predeliction for gimmickry over talent. not that the british music industry have much to be proud of, natch.
 

tate

Brown Sugar
is it just faux-wisdom after the event that makes me think we should have seen sovereign's US success coming?

it just rather confirms all my suspicions about the US industry's predeliction for gimmickry over talent. not that the british music industry have much to be proud of, natch.
Not sure what you mean by "faux-wisdom after the event" or "we should have seen sovereign's US success coming," since the possibility of Sov breaking in the US has been thoroughly discussed for the past two years and even in the US she's been touted for ages. A year ago this time she was gracing US magazine covers, not merely online discussions. The album has not done well, by the way, though I for one certainly wish her all the best.
 

mos dan

fact music
Not sure what you mean by "faux-wisdom after the event" or "we should have seen sovereign's US success coming," since the possibility of Sov breaking in the US has been thoroughly discussed for the past two years and even in the US she's been touted for ages. A year ago this time she was gracing US magazine covers, not merely online discussions. The album has not done well, by the way, though I for one certainly wish her all the best.

fair enough, i don't really give a shit about lady sov or her success, hence my ignorance on the matter. i cede to your superior knowledge. i only commented cos i woke up at 2am and couldn't get back to sleep; i may be slightly delirious... sorry for wasting your time.
 

eproductionmuzc

Wild Horses
I'm from the U.S. and it sucks that her album hasn't done so well. Her album "Public Warning" is awesome...I can listen to it whenever! I first heard about SOV and her debut single "Love Me or Hate Me" maybe in September or October...idk how I never came across her earlier...Maybe I have and just didn't realize it. Hope the album has a great success when it comes out in the U.K. Does anyone know if she has any concerts coming up besides the one at the scala...which I obviously can't go to since I'm stuck here in the U.S.<--That concert is gonna be awesome! It's pretty early in the morning over here so I better get some sleep so I can somehow manage to function tomorrow!

;)
 

Sef

Wild Horses
I see it from you a lot, Logan. Like when you were banging on about how it's so sad seeing all these kids running around saying 'no homo', while I remember your sig over on RWD being Jean-Claude dancing around with 'no homo' written underneath.
 

swears

preppy-kei
You find it hypocritical that I find the idea of inserting my penis into the orifice reserved for faeces disgusting?

How is anal sex exclusively a gay thing? I'm sure a majority of young straight men would try it with a girl given the chance, look at porn, most boy/girl scenes have anal now. I even know a couple of gay fellas who say they aren't into anal, not all gay men are into it automatically.

I don't think this is totally off topic, seeing as how Lady Sov is a pain in the arse!
 

Guybrush

Dittohead
How is anal sex exclusively a gay thing? I'm sure a majority of young straight men would try it with a girl given the chance, look at porn, most boy/girl scenes have anal now. I even know a couple of gay fellas who say they aren't into anal, not all gay men are into it automatically.

I don't think this is totally off topic, seeing as how Lady Sov is a pain in the arse!

I find this topic interesting because this notion seems pretty common (‘It’s a disgusting practice but I’m ok with others doing it’). Do you have to get over your disgust with the ‘sexual acts’ (whichever they may be) in order to call yourself ‘open-minded’?
 
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nomadologist

Guest
SOV's lack of success is a product of Jay-Z's business sense failing him a little. The early adapters (hipsters) had been listening to her for a while even before he signed her, so their expectations were way up. If he'd grabbed her before she was on Run the Road that album would've sold hundreds of thousands to M.I.A.-fan types then could've crossover to the general iTunes C-list set and probably would have ended up on a million lifestyle brand commercials eventually. McDonalds ads aimed to air in NYC would have had the token white girl among the latinas all dressed up like Sov. So many people I know dressed up like Sov for Halloween it's not even funny.

Everyone's dying in the water, lately, I guess Poisonous Dart is right about artist development. She should've been MORE associated with Def Jam in PR junkets than she was. Then she would've at least built cred in that key "urban" market and then hit the consumers right where "urban" crosses the "midteens" market. Suburban kids would've bought sov's record, at least, that way. If this has been said before, sorry.

anyway, this Logan guy is really missing out. and swears is right--anal sex has nothing to do with gay sex necessarily. that's all i'm going to say about that.
 

eproductionmuzc

Wild Horses
Please everyone!...this is a music forum...if you want to talk about sexual preferences please go somewhere else!...why does my thread get stuck with this?
 

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akstavrh
cosined innt

can't imagine sov going platinum in america evar evar, unless miraculously she'd shifted serious units all over the place beforehand :mad:
 

zhao

there are no accidents
how can anyone say SOV got no talent? that track on the first Run the Road (not cha-ching, the other one) - serious.
 
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nomadologist

Guest
cosined innt

can't imagine sov going platinum in america evar evar, unless miraculously she'd shifted serious units all over the place beforehand :mad:

if jay-z can't move your units no one can
 

Logan Sama

BestThereIsAtWhatIDo
How is anal sex exclusively a gay thing? I'm sure a majority of young straight men would try it with a girl given the chance, look at porn, most boy/girl scenes have anal now. I even know a couple of gay fellas who say they aren't into anal, not all gay men are into it automatically.

I don't think this is totally off topic, seeing as how Lady Sov is a pain in the arse!

I didn't say I had a problem with gay anal sex, but it's ok in hetero relationships. Anal sex is not all I have a problem with either. hence me mentioning, and you not quoting, other sexual proclivities people practise in this day and age. I find the idea and the practise of anal sex to be rather repulsive regardless of who's anus it is.

I don't agree with homosexual relationships because it goes against the basic tenets of evolution, but I would not pour scorn on anyone for being in one. Nor do I go round preaching my hatred for it. I am well within my rights to have a personal opinion about homosexuality as long as I do not impose it on others. Unless we live in a facist state where I have to agree with everything?

This entire issue was only brought up because I spoke out against someone else's hate filled words directed towards a bisexual!

And please do not scrape the barrel of ironic uses of the "No homo" phrase to illustrate my deep rooted hate filled right wing agenda, which I have clearly gone against in this very discussion.

And back on topic, I believe Zhao is talking about the Wonder produced track, who's name escapes me.
 
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nomadologist

Guest
I didn't say I had a problem with gay anal sex, but it's ok in hetero relationships. Anal sex is not all I have a problem with either. hence me mentioning, and you not quoting, other sexual proclivities people practise in this day and age. I find the idea and the practise of anal sex to be rather repulsive regardless of who's anus it is.

I don't agree with homosexual relationships because it goes against the basic tenets of evolution, but I would not pour scorn on anyone for being in one. Nor do I go round preaching my hatred for it. I am well within my rights to have a personal opinion about homosexuality as long as I do not impose it on others. Unless we live in a facist state where I have to agree with everything?

Uuyyee. I'm going to restrain myself here as best I can--out of respect for the fact that Logan seems generally well-intentioned, and in an attempt to kill this digression--but I almost had an aneurysm about three times when I read this.

First, I take issue with your implying that there are sexual activities that people engage in "this day and age" as if they didn't used to do so in some golden age of sexual morality and uprightness. We are, in reality, more tightly regulated in our sexuality now in the West than most other cultures have been since the beginning of recorded human history, to our detriment. If you were indeed implying we've fallen from some state of sexual purity, you are sorely mistaken and underinformed. Ask and I'll give you a million examples illustrating why in a private message.

Sex "evolutionarily" is NOT about procreation alone. I find it appalling when otherwise intelligent people (or people who purport to be rational and intelligent) try to be armchair evolutionary biologists when it comes to sexuality when they are so obviously ill-educated on the subject.

Homosexuality is actually a widespread biological phenomenon that can be observed across hundreds of species and serves a multitude of "evolutionary" purposes--including social ones, psychological ones, physiological ones, all the same ones heterosexual sex does. Human sexual behavior is actually much more complex that of many other primates and species, and due to our enormous brains, exaggerated secondary sex characteristics, intricate social relationships and mores, and many other factors that are particular to our evolution and require us to form extremely close psychosexual bonds, it is actually about much more than making babies. Human sexuality is a product of factors both biological and social that, in the end, have very little to do with procreation in any species. If you are interested in more information, I can provide you with an abundance of it.

I really think you're depriving yourself and your girlfriend(s), Logan. Anal sex is great for girls (trust me, that thing ain't doing much for her vag) and it's especially good for people who've made it into a taboo (deliciously fun to break taboos, you should try it sometime) Sounds like you have a hangup with women's bodies, or at very least your own. Get used to it, it's all you have, babe. And women will hate you if you think they're baby machines who shouldn't be giving head to anyone but your jealous neurotic ass. Trust me--women can read that shit on your face.

Now STOP TALKING ABOUT GAYNESS and get back to Lady SOV. Well, I do wonder now if she's gay or was that guy just talking shit? I think she's kinda cute, but I thought she was just a butch femme. No one takes you seriously as an MC if you dress like Christina Aguilera, so you'd have to be, right?
 
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mistersloane

heavy heavy monster sound
You make me laugh nomad, I think you're cool. I think Logan's cool as well. I don't, however, think SOV is cool but she is, in her own way, kinda punk. Which is cool.
 

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akstavrh
if jay-z can't move your units no one can

seems unlikely even he would think platinum, maybe a few hundred k to the MIA demographic like you said, which might be good enough if the marketing is largely done for you by internet kids (didn't EMF or one of those shit early 90s uk indies sell a million in the states?)

i can't imagine he's thrown a lot of cash or thought at the matter with all of his other investments to think about, sort of how i envisage him with beyonce, they make me think of an elderly jewish couple throwing fruit at each other across the breakfast table once in a while but otherwise doing their own thing (note- i don't read the tabloids that often)

my habit of typing 'a capella' into soulseek and downloading whatever comes up, then playing it over the top of something else (usually the incapacitants or messiaen) has led to this atrocity which is the most morbidly fascinating thing since that track he did with his mum, eugh
 
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