'you are what you own' - how rap just reinforces the status quo

Mr. Tea

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When you mime something people don't get killed

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nomadologist

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What if you "pretended" (mimed) you were a ganster who actually shot someone by actually shooting someone?
 
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Glad to oblige:
http://www.lse.ac.uk/collections/pr.../archives/2005/John_Hills_NewLabourReport.htm
(The LSE is Britain's, and one of the world's, most prestigious economics academies)

Looks like inequality is still running deep, though there have been some gains. From the article above:

"'However, it does not follow that policy has already succeeded, or that Britain has yet become a more equal society. In virtually all of the areas discussed there is still a very long way to go to reach an unambiguous picture of success. Sustained and imaginative effort will be needed to make further progress and to reach groups not touched by policy so far.'"
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
As I've been at pains to point out, I'm talking about income levels, not income equality.

Everyone knows London is being treated as a tax haven by the Russian billionaire Mr. Burnski characters. How does that - in itself - justify you picking up a gun and deciding to make a career out of robbery or crack dealing?
 
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Who's talking about justification? I can look at the reasons why someone might do something that's bad or has negative consequences without believing that those reasons *justify* the behaviors.

Many people sell crack to feed themselves and their children, in the U.S. (where you get $100 or less a month for personal expenses and medical fees if you're on welfare). And, yes, to have the sorts of things other people get to have. They do it for the same reasons anyone from the middle class goes to work every day.

The violence usually comes in higher up at the top, where the people high on the supply side make deals worth tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars. A lot of people get killed for stepping in on someone else's territory (which costs the suppliers tons of money), or for not making good on a huge debt, or for snitching, or for any sort of disloyal behavior that threatens the others who rely upon drug dealing.

Gangs form around the mutual financial interest of those dealing within a certain "territory"--and then violence crops up around defending your territory from other gangs. Most importantly, in areas where gang activity rules the streets, gangs offer PROTECTION from the threat of violence at the hands of rival gangs.

Gangs are a lot like any other form of mafia.
 
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Also, Mr. Tea, if you want to blame someone from an economic point of view: why not blame the middle class who create the vast preponderance of the DEMAND that fuels the drug trade?

Cocaine is the only commodity in history for which the supply has never been able to fully satiate the demand that exists in the marketplace.
 

Mr. Tea

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Many people sell crack to feed themselves and their children, in the U.S.

There lies the rub - in Britain no-one but no-one is in the situation of having to commit crime in order to feed or clothe themselves. They might commit crime to clothe themselves in Armani, but that's a different kettle of fish, wouldn't you say?
 
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Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
Also, Mr. Tea, if you want to blame someone from an economic point of view: why not blame the middle class who create the vast preponderance of the DEMAND that fuels the drug trade?

Cocaine is the only commodity in history for which the supply has never been able to fully satiate the demand that exists in the marketplace.

People of all stripes and social backgrounds in the UK take drugs. And as far as coke is concerned, the countries that suffer by far the worst effects of the trade are the ones where it's produced and trafficked through.
 
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I suppose that must be the difference.

The thing that often happens here is (since drugs are a commodity that you can always count on to make steady gains in the marketplace, give or take a slight lag here and there in the demand for designer drugs) people who get into it just to get by end up doing so well they are able to afford to drive a beamer.
 
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People of all stripes and social backgrounds in the UK take drugs. And as far as coke is concerned, the countries that suffer by far the worst effects of the trade are the ones where it's produced and trafficked through.

Here cocaine in particular is mostly a pet habit of the upper middle class. It used to cost a lot more, sure, but it's still a little out-of-reach for the working class. Hence crack.
 
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captain easychord

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another well-informed, civil and on-topic day at dissensus
 
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And as far as coke is concerned, the countries that suffer by far the worst effects of the trade are the ones where it's produced and trafficked through.

this is definitely true. don't get me started on American efforts to sabotage columbian/peruvian drug farming...
 
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