noel emits
a wonderful wooden reason
The guy that fronts this has got a bit of an interesting CV hasn't he? He's also Jewish I think...
Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed
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Ive now downloaded this and will definitely check it out.
I love this shit. Its totally batshit and highly entertaining - like the 700 club...
I love this shit. Its totally batshit and highly entertaining - like the 700 club...
swears
preppy-kei
From the synopsis I've read on the film, and the clips on youtube, I think the whole "Darwinism leads to fascism" thing is a side argument. The crux of the film is Stein's claim that anyone disagreeing with the theory of evolution in the USA these days is being persecuted by some sort of shadowy liberal cabal who don't want their flimsy evolution theory being exposed by brave dissenters. The main argument against that is that scientists have only a limited amount of time and resources to pursue their theories, and "intelligent design" has nothing to do with their methods anyway.
john eden
male pale and stale
I'm interested in it as a social movement as much as I am in the film itself, so seeing the kind of people who go and maybe even talking to them would be quite interesting.
My only fear is that it will be repeat of other things I have done like this (the AGM of the National Viewers and Listeners Association, and an evangelical meeting about gangs/gangsta rap) - both of these were very long and involved awkward conversations with people who were trying to suss me out/be absurdly matey.
For example, will they tack a 3 hour prayer meeting on at the end and try to prevent me leaving?
crackerjack
Well-known member
You haven't written about this anywhere linkable, have you?
noel emits
a wonderful wooden reason
This is somewhat related sociologically and worth watching IMO. Tony Robinson film about 'end-timers' doing all they can to usher in the apocalypse / rapture, including messing with the site of the Temple Of Solomon and trying to accelerate environmental catastrophe.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...424&q=tony+robinson&ei=xf8RSOjSGqfijQKBpbGvAg
http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...424&q=tony+robinson&ei=xf8RSOjSGqfijQKBpbGvAg
john eden
male pale and stale
It t'were all pre-internet, I think, young man.
Tho yes I did write about it at the time. The gangsta one was especially shit tho - some guy who had apparently been in a gang and then found god.
The posters were all done up to look like it was gonna be an NWA-but-for-christ! type thing. Talk about bearing false witness!
john eden
male pale and stale
I think some of the creationist types regard catholicism as being the spawn of the devil anyway, so probably not.
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Hmm, I deleted that post because a quick Wiki search* seemed to suggest that the Vatican in WWII probably saved a huge number of Jews, regardless of whatever part some particular Catholics may have played in the atrocities...I guess I was thinking mainly of the front cover of that Killing Joke compilation.
You've a very good point about the fact that most right-wing American Christians are rabid Protestants of one stripe or another, but to claim that atheism is uniquely responsible for Nazism etc. seems to suggest the conviction that any religion, even a 'false' one, is better than none at all.
*obviously not the most thorough way to research things, but undoubtedly the quickest!
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crackerjack
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Ha, i was gonna reply to that with comments about not getting your history from Killing Joke sleeves. There was a marriage of convenience between fascism (esp) and Catholicism, but the idea that Papal forces were packing Jews off to auschwitz was a bit far fetched.
The Catholic church undoubtedly laid the ideological groundwork for anti-semitism though (as The Passion of the christ will remind you, if you can speak Aramaic)
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john eden
male pale and stale
Good start to the weekend, that.
matt b
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iirc, hitler had a weird take on nordic paganism
noel emits
a wonderful wooden reason
So it seems they used John Lennon's song 'Imagine' without clearing it and are now being sued by the Lennon fam and EMI...
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Well, the Catholic Church in Germany certainly bears some moral resonsibility, if I remember correctly the Jehovahs Witnesses' were the only group that actively attempted to help the Jewish population, and many of them were sent to the camps as a result. There are also many questions about the conduct of Pius XII prior to, and during the war, the collusion of Croation priests in the running of concentration camps in the East, and of course the smuggling of thousands of Nazi War criminals to South America which was organised from an office in the Vatican.
Short pants
Guys , I wouldn't worry too much about this pic being the success that spawns alot of other stuff like it.
Currently playing at a whole 2 movie houses here in NYC ,
every review i've seen on TV gives Stein his um , 5 minutes to see his piece - during which time he admits to believing in evolution.
The ID'tionists got kicked down in their school districts a couple years back already ( and this during Bush years ) ,
they'll keep trying , like the 700 club as noted earlier.
Stein's outfit in the promo ad's, ugly ( Angus Young flashback ) ,
his demeanor interviews po faced and wasn't he in Ferris Bueller's's Day Off ?.
Fronting the thesis that teaching Darwinian evolution but ignoring 'intelligent design' in America's public schools and uni's is the biggest threat to Amurican Freedom today must be some kind of paid career move.
The guy used to be a Nixon speechwriter ...
Guys , I wouldn't worry too much about this pic being the success that spawns alot of other stuff like it.
Currently playing at a whole 2 movie houses here in NYC ,
every review i've seen on TV gives Stein his um , 5 minutes to see his piece - during which time he admits to believing in evolution.
The ID'tionists got kicked down in their school districts a couple years back already ( and this during Bush years ) ,
they'll keep trying , like the 700 club as noted earlier.
Stein's outfit in the promo ad's, ugly ( Angus Young flashback ) ,
his demeanor interviews po faced and wasn't he in Ferris Bueller's's Day Off ?.
Fronting the thesis that teaching Darwinian evolution but ignoring 'intelligent design' in America's public schools and uni's is the biggest threat to Amurican Freedom today must be some kind of paid career move.
The guy used to be a Nixon speechwriter ...
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Hmm, as I understand it, he was raised in a Catholic family but was essentially an atheist in his adult life.* A lot of Nazis were into some kind of twisted neo-paganism, but Hitler himself was fairly contemptuous of it (though he no doubt considered it useful in arousing the correct Völkisch feelings in the populace at large). I think Himmler and Hess were the biggest enthusiasts for occultism and mysticism out of the top Nazis.
Edit: whadda surprise, the Nazis tried to promote a stormtrooper-Jesus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_Christianity
*Edit the second: looks like he was some sort of half-arsed semi-Christian or non-specific 'theist'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler's_religious_beliefs
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Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Well in that case I think we should ban all religion, since belief in spirits clearly leads to Nazism.