"Not George Bushed"
For LoraHup ...
http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/24/the-senate-majority-leaders-oh-no-vote/?hp
For LoraHup ...
http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/24/the-senate-majority-leaders-oh-no-vote/?hp
Obama health reform
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synapticat
Mynd
Sectionfive
bandwagon house
Will it pass tomorrow ?
Surely Obama is sure of them numbers if its going ahead.
Surely Obama is sure of them numbers if its going ahead.
Looks like it will go through, but I still want to see a vote on the public option.
Bernie Sanders backed down on it under pressure, but the corrupt Dems who are against the public option should still be forced to show their colors.
There's really no reason not to allow a vote on a public option amendment, except that it would expose the politicians that are in the pocket of the health industry and conflict with the crooked deals that Obama made with the industry behind closed doors. The excuse before was that they needed 60 votes, but now if they only need 51, so why not pass the public option?
Bernie Sanders backed down on it under pressure, but the corrupt Dems who are against the public option should still be forced to show their colors.
There's really no reason not to allow a vote on a public option amendment, except that it would expose the politicians that are in the pocket of the health industry and conflict with the crooked deals that Obama made with the industry behind closed doors. The excuse before was that they needed 60 votes, but now if they only need 51, so why not pass the public option?
the midnight hour
My guess it will pass around midnight tonight,
looks like Stupak has written his own amendment - order re: abortion language and it appears that's the issue it all comes down too ...
Would love to see the public option' included , and one would have thought it would have been, but jeez look at the complex BS that's gone on ...
The US Gov. and it's functions - like law, IGO's and all the dysfunctional bureaucracies, need to be reformed, revamped and brought into this century -screaming , no doubt .
But anyway ... it's taken what ? 100 years to get this passed ?
My guess it will pass around midnight tonight,
looks like Stupak has written his own amendment - order re: abortion language and it appears that's the issue it all comes down too ...
Would love to see the public option' included , and one would have thought it would have been, but jeez look at the complex BS that's gone on ...
The US Gov. and it's functions - like law, IGO's and all the dysfunctional bureaucracies, need to be reformed, revamped and brought into this century -screaming , no doubt .
But anyway ... it's taken what ? 100 years to get this passed ?
Health care reform ...
Within minutes of the vote,
Dem Tom Harkin heard mentioning the public option may have new life now that this has passed.
A Southern Republican shouted " Baby killer" at Stupak while he spoke in support of the bill -
and he's one of the most pro life guys in Gov. , had previously been holding thing up ...
http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/21/live-blogging-the-house-vote/?hp
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/22/health/policy/22health.html?hp
Within minutes of the vote,
Dem Tom Harkin heard mentioning the public option may have new life now that this has passed.
A Southern Republican shouted " Baby killer" at Stupak while he spoke in support of the bill -
and he's one of the most pro life guys in Gov. , had previously been holding thing up ...
http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/21/live-blogging-the-house-vote/?hp
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/22/health/policy/22health.html?hp
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Something worth tackling ...
- begins to be addressed in this bill, adjustments surely to come - from both sides of the aisle ?
The Rupublicans sure are pissed.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/24/business/24leonhardt.html?hp
- begins to be addressed in this bill, adjustments surely to come - from both sides of the aisle ?
The Rupublicans sure are pissed.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/24/business/24leonhardt.html?hp
crackerjack
Well-known member
So when was the last time a major Dem initiative like this got passed? Don't just mean budgets, or too much for education and not enough for defnece or something, but a seismic piece of Dem-led legislation that, however imerfect, has the power to shape the politicval culutre. All the way back to LBJ?
craner
Beast of Burden
Anyone read that book Race of a Lifetime? I did, it's great!
It made me like Obama, if only because he decided to run against all odds on the basis that the US presidancy shouldn't be secured by the borderline mentally-ill.
Also makes you feel sad about the vulgarisation of McCain.
It made me like Obama, if only because he decided to run against all odds on the basis that the US presidancy shouldn't be secured by the borderline mentally-ill.
Also makes you feel sad about the vulgarisation of McCain.
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
well, Clinton had the Brady Bill, though I guess that's not quite as sweeping. perhaps more applicably, the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (raised taxes on the wealthy & corporations & cut taxes on low-income brackets, among other things) which passed w/o a single GOP vote in the Senate or House (sound familiar?). not really, the same thing tho. There was also the epic showdown w/Newt & Co. in '95 over the budget, tho they got him back later by twisting his arm into signing in welfare reform.
Jimmy Carter had the Camp David Accords, & that's about it.
so as far as game-changing, society-altering legislation, yeah, back to LBJ. though it could be said that not very many Presidents, Dem or GOP, put through legislation of that order. & I don't know if this bill will fall into that category either; we'll see in 5 or 10 years.
tis true, but the man himself had rather a large hand in that vulgarization. so not too sad. I will say, I appreciated (& still appreciate) his absolutely unwavering stance on torture - this crushing of wax statue Mitt Romney on the subject of waterboarding was a particularly fine moment.
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crackerjack
Well-known member
every day in every way the GOP grows a little more cancerous
vimothy
yurp
You are not fucking wrong crackerjack: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/25/AR2010032502336.html
scottdisco
rip this joint please
nice one Vim and Cracker re GOP lunacy. and big love to P as ever for clear-eyed approach.
from Vim's link, hope i don't sound tinfoil hat on one small point, but
i've read the WSJ a lot down the years (though i can't recall doing so post-Murdoch ownership), and usually found the editorials a sober source of opinion (even when i didn't agree w them, which was probably more often than not). however, the above sounds way off-base from them; i can't help but think it wouldn't have said such nakedly partisan bollocks in the pre-Murdoch days.
[disclaimer: i have no idea as to editorial intrusions from the owner there these days, etc, so could be talking paranoid nonsense. i dunno.]
from Vim's link, hope i don't sound tinfoil hat on one small point, but
i've read the WSJ a lot down the years (though i can't recall doing so post-Murdoch ownership), and usually found the editorials a sober source of opinion (even when i didn't agree w them, which was probably more often than not). however, the above sounds way off-base from them; i can't help but think it wouldn't have said such nakedly partisan bollocks in the pre-Murdoch days.
[disclaimer: i have no idea as to editorial intrusions from the owner there these days, etc, so could be talking paranoid nonsense. i dunno.]