mistersloane
heavy heavy monster sound
Blubeat's really hit the nail on the head, I hate it when people say 'you really have to hear this out in its context to enjoy it', but you really have to hear dubstep out to get it.
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Blubeat's really hit the nail on the head, I hate it when people say 'you really have to hear this out in its context to enjoy it', but you really have to hear dubstep out to get it.
noel emits
a wonderful wooden reason
What might tie in to this would be Brian Eno's talk of 'molecules'. It's about chaotic complexity I suppose - something that is more easily achieved with neurons controlling muscles plucking strings and vibrating in the air to stimulate imperfect gold leaf on a microphone membrane going down a slightly contaminated wire to a tape, and so on, than with a simplistic digital model. There's just more 'molecules' involved in the 'organic' scheme, and will be for some time I should think.
noel emits
a wonderful wooden reason
With dubstep in it's 'heavy dark' aspect I always felt that in the club environment it was about the crowd transcending that by celebrating a shared response to it and thereby transforming it into something positive. That seems overly charitable now as producers inevitably miss the point and it just ends up being boring.
I've only heard it in a mix so far but the Pinch track 'Chamber Dub' sounded like a wicked slice of futuristic dub. I think it's on Box Of Dub 2. Not heard the album yet.
I've only heard it in a mix so far but the Pinch track 'Chamber Dub' sounded like a wicked slice of futuristic dub. I think it's on Box Of Dub 2. Not heard the album yet.
UFO over easy
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but seriously, is there anyone on dissensus who doesn't know that already? that argument's been rammed down everyone's throats for years now, surely the soundsystem thing is a given whenever you enter into any dubstep discussion these days..
bringing it up almost sounds patronising given how long people have been saying it
yes yes we are all well aware of that.
i haven't been to any of the clubs in england but I've seen Joe Nice in LA, Freak Camp in Berlin, a show where Mack Jigga was supposed to play but these wack meat-head djs from Israel played instead, etc.
sheer decibal power does make the proceedings impressive. but to me a great night out dancing is much more than banging one's head in front of the speakers or dancing alone facing the dj and exchanging high fives with another fan walking out at the end of the night "yeah that was wicked man".
what I've been saying is that there are entire dimensions to "partying" that is missing at dubstep (and other "cold dark futuristic machine music") parties -- a big one being SEX.
my critique was never about this Pinch record, and i think it's much bigger than dubstep -- it's a bigger sociological observation of rave and post-rave culture i s'ppose... oh dear... i'm beginning to feel that it's all quite pointless
UFO over easy
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^^ most things are
(but maybe that's just the cold, machine music talking through me)
(but maybe that's just the cold, machine music talking through me)
joe narcossist
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Went out and bought the cd at lunch.
Very impressed on first listen, beautiful sounding and subtly engaging. Did find a couple of tracks a bit too slow moving but then a bright crowded office is hardly the right enviroment to absorb it fully. That said the tape hiss and general atmospherics seem great even here, I'm looking forward to an intoxicated listen later.
The vocals are a bit cumbersome - overly thick/present - at times but i'm very glad Pinch included them, the idea of songs (rather than tracks) appeals greatly to me. It seems unfair that the same old anti-dubstep complaints are being raised in this thread, esp given the fact the album is far removed from the kind of generic d-step it's cool to hate.
Very impressed on first listen, beautiful sounding and subtly engaging. Did find a couple of tracks a bit too slow moving but then a bright crowded office is hardly the right enviroment to absorb it fully. That said the tape hiss and general atmospherics seem great even here, I'm looking forward to an intoxicated listen later.
The vocals are a bit cumbersome - overly thick/present - at times but i'm very glad Pinch included them, the idea of songs (rather than tracks) appeals greatly to me. It seems unfair that the same old anti-dubstep complaints are being raised in this thread, esp given the fact the album is far removed from the kind of generic d-step it's cool to hate.
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nomadologist
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I went to a "dub wars" night once, I think it was at Bowery Poetry Club, that was playing similar music to dubstep if not dubstep The people were AMAZINGLY nice and talkative and I had about 15 people tell me all about the players in the wars and etc., the beats were ok, but the decibel level was insane (and I am fucking deaf) even for me. It didn't make the bass sound better.
I know these were all people who know what they're doing and such, but it just didn't move me. I had a lukewarm reaction to it.
If I have a chance to go out and see some serious dubstep artists, I will...
what I've been saying is that there are entire dimensions to "partying" that is missing at dubstep (and other "cold dark futuristic machine music") parties -- a big one being SEX.
my critique was never about this Pinch record, and i think it's much bigger than dubstep -- it's a bigger sociological observation of rave and post-rave culture i s'ppose... oh dear... i'm beginning to feel that it's all quite pointless
but why does it have to be either/or? i can go to a dubstep night on my j's and enjoy a very insular experience, appreciating abstraction and meditation, then party with all my friends the next night and dance with girls to whatever other types of music...
because at the end of the day there's also a lot 'missing' (depending on what you enjoy) from more social and sexual parties
but in any case i've seen plenty of parties where a dubstep set has had people dancing socially and generating a similar atmosphere
its also worth pointing out that when i went to fabric on a saturday i saw hundreds and hundreds of people there apparently almost purely on a flex... so many people grinding, kissing, flirting... and that was to craig richards' dark minimal set and luciano
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nomadologist
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minimal is way sexier than dubstep, though
I don't think that futurism in music necessarily precludes "soul" or whatever you want to call it (can think of numerous counterexamples)
don't think that quantized rhythms, "dry" digital production, and coldness/darkness necessarily have anything to do with futurism either (definitely should not be values in and of themselves)
(first post, please disregard)
don't think that quantized rhythms, "dry" digital production, and coldness/darkness necessarily have anything to do with futurism either (definitely should not be values in and of themselves)
(first post, please disregard)
not enough sex, not enough partying, too cold. bro, i think i can help. what you're looking for is ... funky house.
haha nice one. actually what I'm looking for is more like this.
it is sad that people are polarized between interesting-challenging-asexual and fun-stupid-irritating. and do not realize that there are countless worlds of musical experiences that embody the good bits of both.
that is precisely why I'm doing something about it
Slothrop
Tight but Polite
This is getting like "I don't like rap because it's all about guns and hoes and money."
the subject matters which you allude to are inherently a part of the culture which rap is borne of. so... are you saying the absence of sex is an essential characteristic of dubstep?
marsyas
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jeezus man.
you know what i do when i am tired of listening to dubstep?
i listen to fuking house or something else.
quit talking about what dubstep is not, if u do not like it do not listen or create your own sound that you would like to hear.
the fact that all this was posted in a thread about a single album is odd.
and criticizing an entire genre or style is waste.
edit: your fascination with "sex" in a sound/style is boring.
ok but why try and do an album then?
even though i think this is in parts a good attempt and a pragmatic one at making something for home listening - ie it has songs, it's got subtle production, if you don't want to hear songs it's got instrumentals, it's incredibly generous.
on the sex thing i think dubstep has had every chance to be sexy and quite alot of the early stuff was, it just doesn't want to be, it wants to be a kind of vague shade of pissed-offness.
which is a shame.