john eden
male pale and stale
Thank you for noticing that.
censorship on dissensus: the disappearance of the confessions thread
- Thread starter polz
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Thank you for noticing that.
john eden
male pale and stale
Sorry, are you joking here again?
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nomadologist
Guest
Would it be best to take them down, though, if we're going to take down other confessional threads?
I honestly don't see how talking about enjoying a drug experience with others who have also had similar (or different) experience is problematic at all, or any different from people talking to each other about why they like x band or y genre of music. Ditto with sex.
I think the real problem here--and the reason why these things seem to come to a head--runs deeper. It must, because there are constant inuendos made by mods about how many people just hate any thread that is not some sort of bickering argument about microgenres of music. Constant allusions to the fact that older posters don't like the style of posting that some newer posters use, to the glory days of dissensus, whatever those were.
But of course it will continue to go unacknowledged, so why bother?
I honestly don't see how talking about enjoying a drug experience with others who have also had similar (or different) experience is problematic at all, or any different from people talking to each other about why they like x band or y genre of music. Ditto with sex.
I think the real problem here--and the reason why these things seem to come to a head--runs deeper. It must, because there are constant inuendos made by mods about how many people just hate any thread that is not some sort of bickering argument about microgenres of music. Constant allusions to the fact that older posters don't like the style of posting that some newer posters use, to the glory days of dissensus, whatever those were.
But of course it will continue to go unacknowledged, so why bother?
john eden
male pale and stale
Are they racist? If so, yes. Please report the posts concerned to the moderators.
Indeed.
I haven't seen this?! Constant allusions?
I don't remember seeing any reference to older posters, (except by you?) Upthread you have made an incorrect assumption about the identity of one of the people who had an issue about the thread in question.
On a personal level I am entirely happy with how dissensus is right now, and with the moderating decisions, and with the discussions of the moderating decisions.
It is... As It Is.
Jaie Miller
Well-known member
you are wrong.
All the voices in my head are telling me to erase myself as they were last night as I lay awake. I will not post here for a long time, and the 'problem' will not go away.
I've seen more hate in a christian prayer group.
What the mods did is like having a fly coming in the room while you are eating and then throwing the food away just in case it lands on the food. or a better analogy.
I briefly scanned the board and posted where I thought matched the post. blah. big deal.
Goodbye.
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nomadologist
Guest
Jaie I know lots of people who will help who for free. SEroiously. If u want it. Let me know.
craner
Beast of Burden
You're all crazy the forum's got more intelligent not less! You should've seen this place when it started.
no, this sort of shit pisses me off. conspiracy theories, personal revelations, revealing too much about your own life/hang-ups/problems, the kind of stupid stuff that's happened here. it just doesn't belong here. if i had my way, i'd ban people for it. i can think of at least 10 so far who deserve to be banned equally as much as padrag.
Oh, man! I always thought Stelfox was my friend.
no, this sort of shit pisses me off. conspiracy theories, personal revelations, revealing too much about your own life/hang-ups/problems, the kind of stupid stuff that's happened here. it just doesn't belong here. if i had my way, i'd ban people for it. i can think of at least 10 so far who deserve to be banned equally as much as padrag.
Oh, man! I always thought Stelfox was my friend.
Martin Dust
Techno Zen Master
Someone is all-ways wrong on the internet. This is a good place to hang, the mods do a good job.
bassnation
the abyss
fucking hell mate, you've just summed up succinctly why that thread had to die. surely you don't need someone to explain in excruciating detail why those things fell prey to moderation?
and i'm not talking about the blowjobs, like, who gives a shit about that?
i know you aren't that dense.
Jaie Miller
Well-known member
My apology:
It was wrong of me to assume that Africa stinks.
I honestly believe that the people of Iraq are good people.
I am sorry if I have offended anyone.
To those concerned with my mental health. I am fine.
Thank you for your help in the past.
Jaie
It was wrong of me to assume that Africa stinks.
I honestly believe that the people of Iraq are good people.
I am sorry if I have offended anyone.
To those concerned with my mental health. I am fine.
Thank you for your help in the past.
Jaie
like most of us, i do most of my posting and reading of dissensus as a distraction from work. like most of us, i assume, i like it when the board is entertaining; something to take my mind off what i'm doing. that means that i and many other people enjoy dumb/whimsical/funny posting/threads equally as much as i/they enjoy thought-provoking analytical ones. that thread was't deleted or objected to because it was stupid, it was deleted because it was extremely ill advised, even without the racism. this community has some really great members, people that i'm happy to hang out with virtually and in real life, but lately i've noticed some pretty infuriating/borderline psychotic things happening and it's a real shame. i come here to talk about music and to learn about other stuff that i know less about. i do not want to know about people's real or imagined drug histories, their real or imagined mental illnesses, their real or imagined confessions, their real or imagined sex lives or anything like that (real or imagined). i doubt i'm alone in this. there are other boards to talk about that kind of stuff on and that would probably be of more use to the people in question than here anyway. i objected to that thread, because if that becomes the mean standard of discourse here, you can count me out and, i'm guessing, quite a few of our best posters, too. for that reason, i'm very glad it's gone. i think a good rule of thumb is that if people don't want to be censored, then they shouldn't do things that might provide pretty decent grounds for censorship.
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one of the good things about the internet is the blurring and dissolving of societal boundaries -- as we all sit alone, but together, in private, but in public, sharing thoughts and experiences.
if those people who share personal stories can reflect on them and speak thoughtfully about them, and maybe connect them to global issues, well THAT is what will distinguish this board from Yahoo Chats -- and not the absence of "personal stories" altogether.
a more open forum where people are NOT afraid to reveal more of their inner lives can only be that much more rewarding than this place already is. (it will never become Yahoo Chats because there are not many yahoos here -- insert joke about me being one here)
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how do you determine what is an OK personal story to tell here and what isn't? obviously you can't ban all "personal stories" because all the threads about walks in the park and bicycles would be deleted as well. so... what? no sex? no drugs? what about parties? because they often involve one or the other or most likely both.
it's all connected isn't it, our interest in music and clothes and parties and love and sex and psychoanalysis and theory and captitalism and addiction. and if you start censoring parts of it the slide is looking pretty slippery from here.
and I is gonna turn this whole post teal. just because i like it like that.
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er, i posted my views in the open because i thought it was a bizarre, distasteful and potentially quite ugly thread.
nomos did the same.
i was glad to see he had.
i have never complained to a moderator about anything, ever, and don't plan to start now.
and, just for the sake of my own curiosity, what precisely have i been "called out" on?
i think it would probably be a good idea not to go down this route.
after all, my contributions to the board are usually pretty well considered and rarely that contentious.
they're also generally not rooted in complete fantasy, either.
know what i'm sayin'?
and before anyone thinks that i'm a cold-hearted ass for saying that i don't want to read about people's hang-ups, foibles and peccadilloes, if someone is posting genuinely and asking for advice about a given subject, i don't think that anybody in their right mind would have a problem with it.
that's what all communites, real or virtual do; they share information.
i just don't want to see this board turned into a weird, attenuated game of truth or dare or a forum where all manner of batshit behaviour is completely acceptable. like i say, there are other places for that.
also, considering the amount of nonsense that gets passed off as wisdom here, i'd be careful to make sure that the person dishing out any advice you are thinking of taking or information you are thinking of following up is actually being honest about their own experiences and does have half a clue what they're talking about.
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noel emits
a wonderful wooden reason
Hey, sorry - I realised that may have been phrased badly - I meant it sounded a little snooty of the people you were referring to, not a lot snooty of you. Like people were sulking about a lack of high mindedness or whatever. That's great of course but can get tiresome, there's a social element to the jokes - just friendliness and idling like mistersloane said. I do understand there are reasons why people might not feel like posting but as someone said above if things aren't the way you would prefer then make a contribution that helps to nudge discussion in that direction, maybe. Not having a go at anyone anyway.
I've also noted Jaie's sense of humour and initially read the thread in that spirit but of course sometimes being provocative like that is inadvisable on a public forum.
The other bit I'm not sure I understand if it is in reference to nomad talking about people complaining about the tone of board changing. I hope I haven't done that, I think it's fine.
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nomos
Administrator
If you mean this...
...that stems from the confusion you and I just cleared up. Nomad was claiming that the deleted thread was further evidence of older members ganging up on newer members. So I pointed to you and polz as examples of members from start who in fact opposed the stance of the mods in this case. Except now I realize I'd misinterpreted your position.nomos said:
noel emits
a wonderful wooden reason
A lot of registered users that hardly ever post, don't mean vvviagra vendors. That's probably always the case with message boards but hopefully everyone feels they can express opinions or bring up topics without being accused of pitching it too dumb / too pretentious etc.
Martin Dust
Techno Zen Master
people on the internets like other people to be wrong