Seems a bit emperor's new clothes to me - a lot of what I've heard could have been made ten or more years ago. Lulz at the trip hop tag anyway (doesn't that apply to deep dubstep more though
)The Rip-Off Artist did a whole EP of hip-hop beats in non-standard time in early 2003. Think there's a good reason why this kind of stuff doesn't catch on.
Mind you, last track I released on a CD was in 5 too, it was just nothing to do with dancing..
woops
is not like other people
funky, wonky, cranky bongle aquastep
it's embarassing :slanted:
the best stuff on that mix sounds liek good old fashioned idm to me.
as we know, however, you can't call it that in case people think you're calling them stupid-
so idiotic genre names like wanky, spanky, aquapoo, etc make sense.
tune id at 9:00 anyone?
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hip hop connection did a back and forth argument on wonky - i uploaded it on sendspace for anyone that wants a read.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/rdz02a
http://www.sendspace.com/file/rdz02a
Thats what I'm sayin tho. I like the word because its got no fixed address. & people are using it (outside of teh blogs) - kids are trading 'wonky house' tracks, just like every term that gets used as a slur, its been adopted as an aesthetic.
I don't like any of the downtempo, don't see the attraction of 'Fly-Lo', that skwee stuff is pointless, it is all abit idm-ish.
Wonky House all day!
Agreed
Wonky House all day!
Agreed. Priority is still the dancefloor rather than some Gameboy fetish
What happened to the early morning BUFO yo-yo post btw?
what does that mean?
It's almost the opposite to idm, it uses wilfully limited means it's colourful, dumb, riffy and funky, not the least bit deep/abstract/complicated/stern.
So it's more like you don't like it cos the scorn you're trying to pour on it is completley muddled.
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I said it was idm-ish, not idm mkII. You are correct, the formal musical elements that make up downtempo wonk & idm are different, the audience however...
As a whole the downtempo wonky stuff comes off idm-ish to me, its 'head' music, stiff (not so much in a quantization way) & edity, colourful to no real end, infact its so colored outside of the lines its gone greyscale, its uni student irony, in-joke music... It doesn't sound all that funky to me, but perhaps I've missed that. I really hate video game, '8bit' sounds & solo-esque riffage.
I don't like it, I'm not pouring scorn. But, I do actually like the fact that the same word can be used at the same time for 2 such divergent tangents & I don't get why the word wonky is any dumber than the word bassy or the word house.
is not.
thats the opposite of what is when it's good, it's electronic music's chance to get well oceanic without the usual 'held chord' signifiers. There is a reason the music has also had the work aqua crunk applied to it .
Also having seen alot of the ppl discussed live, they bang in clubs.
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i agree that a lot of this stuff is head music (as in mind not body), but so what? who decided that that was objectively a bad thing? at least if thats going to be asserted then we should have some discussion about why thats 'bad'... too much assertion and derision, where is the substance?
in any case i think in some of these artists there is a really nice balance between mind expansion and body compulsion, people like Zomby, Rustie, Starkey etc. even Flying Lotus i think is in some ways pretty banging, i get the sense with him that while he's obviously quite into psychedelia that at his heart he still likes a raw drum break and some bump
in any case again, is the mind / body binary really an appropriate one?
continuum, obviously you're entitled to your opinion of what constitutes great art, but i don't know why you're feeling to pour scorn on those who don't share it. all i've seen in this thread and anywhere else around this music so far is enthusiasm and positivity, no sense of superiority or 'true school' (to me one of the real abhorrences of some sides of 'IDM'), so i don't get why you feel to essentially insult the people who are enjoying this stuff
in any case i think in some of these artists there is a really nice balance between mind expansion and body compulsion, people like Zomby, Rustie, Starkey etc. even Flying Lotus i think is in some ways pretty banging, i get the sense with him that while he's obviously quite into psychedelia that at his heart he still likes a raw drum break and some bump
in any case again, is the mind / body binary really an appropriate one?
continuum, obviously you're entitled to your opinion of what constitutes great art, but i don't know why you're feeling to pour scorn on those who don't share it. all i've seen in this thread and anywhere else around this music so far is enthusiasm and positivity, no sense of superiority or 'true school' (to me one of the real abhorrences of some sides of 'IDM'), so i don't get why you feel to essentially insult the people who are enjoying this stuff
which makes it more interesting as a meme than an actual genre, which in itself is a very interesting thing as it means that it moves beyond dance music genres into a weird kind of game of association. Maybe that's where we're going that's where we came from.
I don't think the idm crowd, which was a long time ago now, and the people that are interested in wonky are the same at all, the nights i've been to are very young mixed kinda hip hop heads, the music is mixed up and the tempos are too.
Basically haters are hating on it here.
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