Funky/London/UK House

matmustard · Mar 10, 2009

What I read into this is that you're able to stomach Bassline for around 2 hours longer than me!

Algierstwin · Mar 10, 2009

mos dan said:
back on topic, who or what are attacca pesante? the jazmine remix is sick.. there's more than one of them, right?

yeah. . theres quite a few of them I think.

Sparta is one one of their tracks i think - can't remember if it was upto much if I'm honest. I know Cameo sang the praises for it.

mms · Mar 10, 2009

hint said:
It just strikes me as odd that people are digging for connections between Funky and Jungle, particularly from the "personnel" side. Seems to be a determination to prove it's part of the HCC in order to what... prove it's OK to like it? I'm not sure.

People are waiting for "dark" Funky. But records like Dego's "This Ain't Tom & Jerry" / "Hands Off The Controls" are already out there and are arguably more "nuum" than anything the Funky scene has thrown up so far. Where's the line drawn? What's the real litmus test? The Rinse FM studio?

didn't nubian mindz do a track called feelin funky ?

mms · Mar 10, 2009

mos dan said:
lol. me and bok bok went to the first and only (afaik) big bassline all nighter in london itself (more empiricism! the horror! hehe), as opposed to the midlands and sheff raves... it was this time last year at the egg.. the first hour was great. the second hour got a bit samey. by midway through the third we were bored. read into that what you will.

i'm not going to read anything into it.

i think you've misinterpreted the 'empiricism' too.

You can't just defend your argument ' the numm is irrelevant' with the argument 'i go out to clubs.'

Elijah · Mar 10, 2009

mos dan said:
back on topic, who or what are attacca pesante? the jazmine remix is sick.. there's more than one of them, right?

A trio I believe, my mate knows one of em, they make a range of stuff. The cd I heard had rnb, hip hop and electro sounding stuff, so their stuff they make is definitely directed at the charts

mms · Mar 10, 2009

hint said:
It just strikes me as odd that people are digging for connections between Funky and Jungle, particularly from the "personnel" side. Seems to be a determination to prove it's part of the HCC in order to what... prove it's OK to like it? I'm not sure.

People are waiting for "dark" Funky. But records like Dego's "This Ain't Tom & Jerry" / "Hands Off The Controls" are already out there and are arguably more "nuum" than anything the Funky scene has thrown up so far. Where's the line drawn? What's the real litmus test? The Rinse FM studio?

didn't nubian mindz do a track called feelin funky ?

viktorvaughn · Mar 10, 2009

mos dan said:
lol. me and bok bok went to the first and only (afaik) big bassline all nighter in london itself (more empiricism! the horror! hehe), as opposed to the midlands and sheff raves... it was this time last year at the egg.. the first hour was great. the second hour got a bit samey. by midway through the third we were bored. read into that what you will.

Bassline is in no way shit! It's great! I doubt Kode9 ever said outright it's shit? (sorry Dan, trying to quote the person you quoted as well and failing...)

I admit being on drugs is a huge advantage and it is a bit samey but it's fun samey just like b-more etc. No more repetitive than 6 hours of 4/4 minimal techno to be fair.

A bassline night started at Herbal but there only seemed to be one.

viktorvaughn · Mar 10, 2009

elgato said:
interesting to note in this context though that Karizma identifies strongly (and collaborates) with the likes of Simbad (and is one of the most quoted influences on UK guys), that Marcus Nasty is playing Altered Natives, Roska quotes and plays Broken Beat as a key part of his vibe, MA1 plays Greenmoney who are two ex-Bugz... i'm sure there are many more connections and crossovers

i think there's a strong argument to view broken and bruk as ignored and sidelined parts of the 'continuum', which perhaps serve to demonstrate its flaws and insularity even in its pared back 'empirical' form

also interesting... although bear with me and please put me right or add to this bit, i really know very little about it... is something i heard in passing (on here i think?), saying that those guys saw broken as a return to pre-hardcore London music sounds? streetsounds culture or something? Soul II Soul were mentioned... which is also interesting given that Wookie was so heavily involved with Soul II Soul, and that he in many ways pre-empted funky with his 'garage' productions, and is now a highly revered figure in the scene

That's very interesting, i am pleased to think of broken beat and funky meeting.

mms · Mar 10, 2009

viktorvaughn said:
Bassline is in no way shit! It's great! I doubt Kode9 ever said outright it's shit? (sorry Dan, trying to quote the person you quoted as well and failing...)

I admit being on drugs is a huge advantage and it is a bit samey but it's fun samey just like b-more etc. No more repetitive than 6 hours of 4/4 minimal techno to be fair.

A bassline night started at Herbal but there only seemed to be one.

i'm being facetious but its not worth creaming over.

mos dan · Mar 10, 2009

mms said:
You can't just defend your argument ' the numm is irrelevant' with the argument 'i go out to clubs.'

i wasn't! i was being facetious too - hope that's obvious

neither of those are 'my arguments' any more than kode9 ever said 'bassline is shit'! (iirc he just laughed at the fact that everyone 'wet their pants' about it last year.) yeah viktor bmore is a decent comparison imho!

drifting off topic again... okay who's heard the crazy cousinz 'tee shirt' remix and agrees it's amazing? cc reeeally have a formula don't they.. the opening drum clatter sounds exactly like several of their other remixes, no bad thing though.

gumdrops · Mar 10, 2009

funky is prob good for BB's image (if you buy into the 'continuum must only be made by ppl living in estates' thing) - makes it seem like its being 'validated' and not just something for ageing b-boys/'classy' jazz-funkateers etc. id personally like to see guys like IG, or kaidi do some funky, though i doubt they will - might make them do some more 'immediate' sounding tracks. what ive heard from kaidi lately seems a lot more traditional, not really much going on in the way of BB rhythms or programming, which is a shame.

mos dan · Mar 10, 2009

Elijah said:
A trio I believe, my mate knows one of em, they make a range of stuff. The cd I heard had rnb, hip hop and electro sounding stuff, so their stuff they make is definitely directed at the charts

interesting. dunno if u need to be on fb to see this, but but it's like a 50 second attacca pesante megamix with animation..

it's their 'bust your windows' remix which i absolutely adore.

elgato · Mar 10, 2009

mos dan said:
drifting off topic again... okay who's heard the crazy cousinz 'tee shirt' remix and agrees it's amazing? cc reeeally have a formula don't they.. the opening drum clatter sounds exactly like several of their other remixes, no bad thing though.

they've completely nailed that thing of having a totally and instantly recognisable sound, and big fat blatant signatures all over their tunes, but all of which are wonderful, fun and hype

soon as you hear that 'wooooh' in a club...

or their "cray-zey cousinz... cray-zey cousinz" melody, the way they drop that at the start of the KIG remix is stupid, instant hype

i think they're incredibly good

i was so so so happy that they released Go and Need U Bad on vinyl, they sound amazing on the press

really want them to release that tune with the really detroity strings and 808 cowbells too, love that one

viktorvaughn · Mar 10, 2009

mms said:
i'm being facetious but its not worth creaming over.

Fair enough - it is 2D in a way funky isn't but it's fun 2D!

Grievous Angel · Mar 10, 2009

Blackdown · Mar 10, 2009

hint said:
It just strikes me as odd that people are digging for connections between Funky and Jungle, particularly from the "personnel" side. Seems to be a determination to prove it's part of the HCC in order to what... prove it's OK to like it? I'm not sure.

People are waiting for "dark" Funky. But records like Dego's "This Ain't Tom & Jerry" / "Hands Off The Controls" are already out there and are arguably more "nuum" than anything the Funky scene has thrown up so far. Where's the line drawn? What's the real litmus test? The Rinse FM studio?

this throws up two points for me.

1. how well the nuum does for core movements (ukg, grime, hardcore, jungle) but how badly it copes with offshoots (broken beat, dubstep, w*nky etc). i say 'cope,' what tends to happen is because it doesnt cope it pushes them away, when in fact it should have provision to accept them as edge cases.

2. the involvement of broken beat with funky. house n funky djs talk about playing broken beat but i sont see any of the core Co-op players playing at funky nights, i dont hear any of their tunes in funky sets and Goya - their Ammunition - has long since closed down. Is it some different broken beat scene? echoes of the UK broken beat scene coming back to UK funky DJs through the US house mafia?

gumdrops · Mar 10, 2009

it would be seriously wicked if fwd invited seiji or ig or marc mac or someone down to do a set. 4hero are pretty damn nummy.

Ory · Mar 10, 2009

viktorvaughn said:
That's very interesting, i am pleased to think of broken beat and funky meeting.

no thanks.

sophistication overload.

hint · Mar 10, 2009

Ory said:
no thanks. sophistication overload.

Yeah - better to keep Funky on that raw gutter grimey street shit like Crazy Cousinz remixes of Shontell.

lazybones · Mar 10, 2009

has uptown closed online too!!???? gaah. that would be terrible.....

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