global financial crash yay!

[josef k.]

I wonder where the game model breaks down, if it does break down, like a truck, a toy truck, which you could throw out the window... there are certain shapes that cast shadows... I mean: there are certain "illegal" game moves which are prohibited by the rules of the game and there are also moves which seem discouraged, but which in fact are possible, and then there are wild cards, and "game-changing" events which change the very nature of the games being played.

I believe in the principal of moral control, which also means, structured play.

 

[Mr BoShambles]

Dunno if the "game model" itself ever "breaks down". Rather that the game(s) goes through constant processes of change, some incremental, others radical and abrubt. The rules are constantly being (re)negotiated, (re)interpreted, altered. And the strategies of individual players vary due to many factors including different mental models and the inherent power asymmetries in given contexts.

 

[josef k.]

Is all of reality encompassed by games? The planets, for example? Nature? The sea? Time. The universe.

Yes.

Or:

No.

Or:

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I also do not know what this means. I am sending out a signal of distress.

 

[Mr BoShambles]

Is all of reality encompassed by games? The planets, for example? Nature? The sea? Time. The universe.

No not in my book. Unless you believe that the planets or the sea or time are purposeful agents which have deliberate strategies for interacting with other purposeful agents?

I reckon all of human reality - social life - is made up of games.

 

[josef k.]

No not in my book. Unless you believe that the planets or the sea or time are purposeful agents which have deliberate strategies for interacting with other purposeful agents?

I reckon all of human reality - social life - is made up of games.

I agree with both those points.... On the other hand, there is also a way in which human reality contains an element of the non-human (or the inhuman)... or the non-game. The body. We operate on the body through games, but is the body itself about games? I think not.

 

[vimothy]

Also, all technology.

But the idea of a game or many games does encompass the notion of social strategies and competition and pay-offs pretty well.

EDIT: Technology is intensely social.

 

[vimothy]

This is where I start reading Yudkowsky and Nick Land...

 

[Mr BoShambles]

This is where I start reading Yudkowsky and Nick Land...

Because.....? What do they have to offer? Never heard of the first and know very little about the second.

 

[vimothy]

The void... black metal... outer space!

 

[josef k.]

Anyone know anything good written about game shows and game show hosts...

Also, the auto industries of the world, which seems very effected by this crash. In particular: Car manufactures.

I think it would not be a bad idea to let car industries die (gently), and upgrade the automotive sector to something more sustainable.

 

[vimothy]

Yudkowsky

 

[josef k.]

Interesting.

What else do you know about this guy?

 

[vimothy]

I know that he wrote a good article about the singularity.

 

[josef k.]

Do you believe in the Singularity? I am not sure that I do.

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

I think it would not be a bad idea to let car industries die (gently), and upgrade the automotive sector to something more sustainable.

I dunno how serious you're being - & surely you're aware anyway that this is/would be far easier said than done - but do you really appreciate the magnitude of "upgrading [it] to something more sustainable"? I don't think there's even a more sustainable option right now...at least that would work on a scale large enough to be relevant...& let me be clear that there are very few things that would make me happier than doing just that...I just reckon it's much more likely that nature will decide for us via Peak Oil...

Do you believe in the Singularity? I am not sure that I do.

the best description I have come across - "it’s as if you took a lot of very good food and some dog excrement and blended it all up so that you can't possibly figure out what's good or bad..." I guess also it depends on what scientists/mathameticians/etc that you talk to as to whether a "Singularity" is definite, possible or likely at all...I did think that Yudkowsky made a really good point in that video - "we're just smart enough to create tremendous problems for ourselves but not quite smart enough to solve them"...I just doubt his friendly AI cavalry will ride to the rescue...

one thing - this business about looking at death as just another "problem" to be "solved" is sheer madness. not to get too philosophical - but - to my mind if you remove death then what you're left with is not life...I don't know what to call it, "existence" maybe, some kind of limbo...I read an interview with Kurzweil where he said something like "I don't see anything natural about death"...I don't trust anyone who's ego is so inflated that he wants to live forever...

 

[vimothy]

Doesn't that rule out everyone?

Anyway, I believe that technology is important, and that it is inhuman, that we dissolve in it. I believe that I make statements, but I'm not sure what this belief is or what its ramifications are. What does it mean to believe in something? I do not know. Moreover, what does it mean to mean something? I do not know that either.

 

[josef k.]

Fair comments there...

I really wonder what's going to happen to cars.

 

[vimothy]

I speak, therefore I am.

 

[josef k.]

... a spokesman?

 

[vimothy]

... an other.