baboon2004
Darned cockwombles.
And elect Richard D James as life president?
BNP on Question Time
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And elect Richard D James as life president?
Oh, I dunno. I never liked his records much, to be honest. Which is probably heresy, but...anyway, I just want to say, if you've ever purchased a so-called 'cornish pasty' in London, make a note of the seller's details and report this criminal to Trading Standards...how dare they think some frazzled lump of congealed mince is a valid substitute for beef chuck...
nomadthethird
more issues than Time mag
Exactly right. For some reason I wanna say it's possible that the first homo sapien with an xx emerged evolutionarily before the one with xy did for other reasons... there could have been some blurring along the "species" continuum for at least thousand years or so as the first homo sapien xx mated with an earlier ancestor's xys...unless I'm missing something.
Also, I could be wrong, but I thought the bottleneck happened very early on, possibly during the first few generations of homo sapiens...Could look it up but I'm lazy and I've been anaesthetizing insects in ether all afternoon so I'm a little dizzy...
Humans share 99.9% of their genes with other humans. The genes that go into making your phenotypes like skin, hair and eye color are MINISCULE in percentage of total genetic makeup (probably something like .0001% or less) and are very unimportant in the scheme of thigns. (Our genoTYPES are another story for another time...) Humans share 60% of their genes with a fruit fly and 50% of their genes with a banana. Originally, everything comes from the same hydrocarbon soup, and ultimately, inorganic matter.
Does anyone remember a Saturday night special on Channel 4 in the early 90s, when Derek Beacon, Richard Edmonds, that orangutan Simon Biggs (apparently dead now) and some other BNP bigwigs were in a 2-hour studio debate with anti-racist groups? Benjamin Zephaniah came on at the end and recited a poem. I suppose they were more honest, especially regarding repatriation, but they barking even back then. And does anyone remember that '92 AFA poster with the pic of the BNP bonehead getting twatted, and underneath, "Waterloo, couldn't escape if I wanted to"? (sorry non-UK readers, this is very parochial - google 'battle of waterloo 1992')
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nomadthethird
more issues than Time mag
Dude.
Dude.
DUDE.
You did not just say that.
We don't need to dig up every fossil when we have something far better and more efficient to use: phylogenetics.
The dating methods that are used ARE accurate. The half life of the STABLE, NON-RADIOACTIVE 12Carbon isotope has remained constant for at least the past hundred years, and there's no reason to believe it has or would or could or will change.
(Mr. Tea I'll let you handle this one, you can take the facepalming, I've had enough for one day, I'm going to get a migraine.)
There was an Ice Age, what, 10,000 years ago? That's about 140,000 years after the first h. sapiens appeared in Africa.
Martin Dust
Techno Zen Master
I did
But isn't it still a hypothesis as we don't know the exact order?
This comment is in response to what Bonnie stated, I should have made that clear.
Sorry for the facepalm action but if you don't ask
nomadthethird
more issues than Time mag
Phylogenetics is better than proof.
Imagine God making a blueprint for evolution. Then someone discovering it.
That's what phylogenetics is. Only there's no God.
Imagine God making a blueprint for evolution. Then someone discovering it.
That's what phylogenetics is. Only there's no God.
Martin Dust
Techno Zen Master
Hahaha, I think I need to read some more, thanks for the pointers.
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droid
Guest
I don't understand Griffin's problem with immigrants not having British 'values'.
After all - what could be more British than invading another country and exterminating the aboriginal populations?
After all - what could be more British than invading another country and exterminating the aboriginal populations?
Ha! Thats excellent.
kind of on topic, an asian friend of mine saw what must have been the QT with Nick Griffin and he was wearning the poppy badge and she confessed to her boyfriend that she can't believe how many people are walking around London with a similar badge.
At which point, presumably, her boyfriend = FACEPALM
okay so I regrettedly entered an argument re: the BNP, in work today. As probably know/dont know, I work in an office, where I am the youngest and probably the least ignorant of the 7 of us working here. I entered a discussion this morning about being able to bankrupt the BNP by sending really heavy parcels to there free post address. Then ann (who is a cockmuncher to say the least) said, "why would you want to do that" this then empted me to say how they are scum, racist, etc etc...and I could sympathise with them (them being ann & the rest of the employees) after seeing the country they grew up in go through major changes throughout theyre adult lifes, and the fact that the working class have been let down by labour over the last 5-10 years and the BNP were simply appealing to this feeling of abandonment.
However, the reply's I got were to say the least, a little bit less thought out!
"Well you can build mosque's in the UK, but you cant build churches in india"
-I am sure the goverment of India doesnt have a MASSIVE political stance against somebody erecting a Church in New Dehli, and I am sure the call for one is ENOURMOUS...make sure you build one and tell me what the sunday attendance figures are looking like wont you.
"Well white people are racially attacked all the time, nothing ever gets done about it!"
-Yes because thats equivalent to the years of opression, slave labour/trading and massive riots over the past couple of years isnt it, yes. Of course it is. (Actually can anybody point me to any figures regarding how many times white people a year are racially attacked, i mean it obviously happens, not obviously as much as this diluded old scrote seems to believe though)
"Well, they are allowed to hold the MOBO's, but there is no MOWO's"
-I literally didnt have the attention span to argue by this point.
It is just evident of how easy it is for the BNP to feed off these little rodent's fear and loathing, and proves how much labour is to blame for letting them get such a legitisized & well publicised position within UK & European politics.
It's a sad fact of life that within the area that I live in, there are pesants such as this who do not move out of there bubble of ignorance for one second of each day. Scary times.
However, the reply's I got were to say the least, a little bit less thought out!
"Well you can build mosque's in the UK, but you cant build churches in india"
-I am sure the goverment of India doesnt have a MASSIVE political stance against somebody erecting a Church in New Dehli, and I am sure the call for one is ENOURMOUS...make sure you build one and tell me what the sunday attendance figures are looking like wont you.
"Well white people are racially attacked all the time, nothing ever gets done about it!"
-Yes because thats equivalent to the years of opression, slave labour/trading and massive riots over the past couple of years isnt it, yes. Of course it is. (Actually can anybody point me to any figures regarding how many times white people a year are racially attacked, i mean it obviously happens, not obviously as much as this diluded old scrote seems to believe though)
"Well, they are allowed to hold the MOBO's, but there is no MOWO's"
-I literally didnt have the attention span to argue by this point.
It is just evident of how easy it is for the BNP to feed off these little rodent's fear and loathing, and proves how much labour is to blame for letting them get such a legitisized & well publicised position within UK & European politics.
It's a sad fact of life that within the area that I live in, there are pesants such as this who do not move out of there bubble of ignorance for one second of each day. Scary times.
baboon2004
Darned cockwombles.
Interesting - the 'it's not fair' thread running through all of those, as though:
(1) The overall playing field is level;
(2) the possibility of empathy with other oppressed people has been bypassed.
'It's not fair' is a very British response, too, especially relating to things that you don't even want or need (your churches in India example).
(1) The overall playing field is level;
(2) the possibility of empathy with other oppressed people has been bypassed.
'It's not fair' is a very British response, too, especially relating to things that you don't even want or need (your churches in India example).
STN
sou'wester
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/nov/17/nme-top-albums-decade-noughties
etc
Even if the church one were true (which I'm 100% sure it isn't), two wrongs don't make a right, as I learned when I was about five.
Edit: I don't want to commit a sin of omission - I don't believe that 'white people are racially attacked all the time and that nothing ever gets done about it' either.
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To revert on your point re: racial white attacks, I would love to know where these seem to happen so regularly (except from in Ann’s mind of course). And I expect the police (being police) take it as far as they would if a racial attack was committed by a white man on an African or Asian man.
Unlikely also kindly raised a point that Christianity is infact the 3rd biggest religion in India. I said that to her, despite her point being complete & utter nonsense, and, as baboon put, “things we don’t need”
The lack of empathy instilled in some people is interesting. Do you think (this being a theory) that this has stemmed into some peoples mind’s due to the country’s ethic’s that they have been subject to, and maybe the rise of things such as celebrity culture, football (for example) and the glamorization of such things as a way of making the world “not seem that bad” and detract people’s attention from what is really happening, as a result, no-one giving two fuck’s about anything that isn’t presented by Simon Cowell, Alan Shearer or Bruce Forsithe (ignoring my hatred for such shows obviously)
Unlikely also kindly raised a point that Christianity is infact the 3rd biggest religion in India. I said that to her, despite her point being complete & utter nonsense, and, as baboon put, “things we don’t need”
The lack of empathy instilled in some people is interesting. Do you think (this being a theory) that this has stemmed into some peoples mind’s due to the country’s ethic’s that they have been subject to, and maybe the rise of things such as celebrity culture, football (for example) and the glamorization of such things as a way of making the world “not seem that bad” and detract people’s attention from what is really happening, as a result, no-one giving two fuck’s about anything that isn’t presented by Simon Cowell, Alan Shearer or Bruce Forsithe (ignoring my hatred for such shows obviously)
baboon2004
Darned cockwombles.
i'd say it has a lot to do with the (perceived and actual) slide of Britain in terms of the power it wields in world terms. ie some kind of society-wide "unfairness" complex, so everything that happens to someone is the worst thing that's happened to anyone etc, which precludes empathy. Same reasoning for the type of humour that's flourished in the UK, of course, ie based on both failure and schadenfreude.
john eden
male pale and stale
http://www.hotels-new-delhi.com/tourist-attractions/worship-places/churches/index.html
I think fascism always relies on a sense of getting a raw deal and a kind of mystical irrationalism. It's a lethal combination because the emotional stuff doesn't really respond all that well to logic.
Having said that people still have to contradict the bullshit that circulates because if it isn't challenged it becomes "common knowledge" and then even more hateful variants come into play.
I think fascism always relies on a sense of getting a raw deal and a kind of mystical irrationalism. It's a lethal combination because the emotional stuff doesn't really respond all that well to logic.
Having said that people still have to contradict the bullshit that circulates because if it isn't challenged it becomes "common knowledge" and then even more hateful variants come into play.
vimothy
yurp
You certainly can build churches in India. Christianity is India's third largest religion, after Hinduism and Islam. Here is an Indian church:
It's in Goa, which is India's most Christian region (IIRC). Portugese settlers, innit.
Your colleagues probably meant to say Saudi Arabia, where it is illegal to build churches. They are both pretty close on the map though, so it's easy to see why they made that mistake.
But more interesting to me is that both the BNP and the anti-imperialists argue their points in broadly the same language. Radical tafiri clerics, pissed off English nationalists, environmentalists, liberal journalists, etc, etc.... their complaints are (ostensibly) equivalent.
It's in Goa, which is India's most Christian region (IIRC). Portugese settlers, innit.
Your colleagues probably meant to say Saudi Arabia, where it is illegal to build churches. They are both pretty close on the map though, so it's easy to see why they made that mistake.
But more interesting to me is that both the BNP and the anti-imperialists argue their points in broadly the same language. Radical tafiri clerics, pissed off English nationalists, environmentalists, liberal journalists, etc, etc.... their complaints are (ostensibly) equivalent.