house and techno are bad

[zhao]

Wolfgang Voijt doesn't do boring.

oh that's one of his countless aliases is it? should have guessed/known. it is of course the same 3 guys who pioneered this shit, and continue to make quality tunes, while 3 million copy cats throw up fur balls.

edit- re: same 3 guys: speaking specifically on teutonic minimal of course, and not house techno at large.

 

[Blackdown]

"i was just asked this recently: it's cool that you play all this different things, but what is YOUR thing?"

whoever asked you this was really blinkered. was he a minimal DJ?

 

[grave]

really? must catch him in that case - always rated him very highly.

You should, he's the best dj in the world. Every time I go to hear him play, I have to give it about a month before going out again to hear other dj's as everyone else seems rubbish by comparison.

 

[zhao]

whoever asked you this was really blinkered. was he a minimal DJ?

no he is an event organizer... been trying to get bookings at some of his parties but he doesn't seem convinced.

that classic blank stare when i try to tell him about what i do... would be probably much easier if i just said "electro-disco". then he'd be like "oh ok let me see if we can fit you in in a couple of months"

same as ever and in everything i suppose: taking the generic road more traveled is much easier than putting effort in trying to do something unique and special.

 

[Pestario]

I mean Look at someone like Surgeon, this guy made his name in techno, but he's now playing Untold, Roska, Berlin techno and even olschool rave classics.

Yeah Surgeon's great (check out his FACT mix, it does all the above) but sometimes I wish he just did a rolling techno set. I think it's because there's hardly any techno in London and lots of 'bass music' but in Berlin it's probably the other way around. I'd probably share Zhao's opinion if I lived in Berlin.

 

[mms]

same as ever and in everything i suppose: taking the generic road more traveled is much easier than putting effort in trying to do something unique and special.

yeah humans are a massive let down

 

[shaolinsoul]

Yeah Surgeon's great (check out his FACT mix, it does all the above) but sometimes I wish he just did a rolling techno set. I think it's because there's hardly any techno in London and lots of 'bass music' but in Berlin it's probably the other way around. I'd probably share Zhao's opinion if I lived in Berlin.

Kind of agree with you, but I dont think he is DJ'ing. He's always pictured with a laptop I think he does edits on the fly or something.

In an interview I think he mentioned his interest in dubstep and the whole UK bass movement. Then again he's released excellent stuff on Dynamic Tension and Counterbalance. "Body request" being my favorite semi recent thing from him and works well with bassy stuff.

Theres a few good techno nights in London, the guys from bleep always put on a good show then again theres Detached in Leeds which had Function, Ancient Methods and Sandwell District.

Forward Strategy Group are from London I think, they are making some interesting industrial techno bass stuff, If you like your techno in the Regis vain of things.

 

[4linehaiku]

He's the poster boy for Ableton Live, hence the laptop. Whether or not you want to call that DJing is up to you.

 

[skull kid]

just to derail slightly, but are their any decent regular techno nights in london anymore? the club scene seems to be saturated now by either boring generic "deep" house or the bassier end of stuff (which may well take in a bit of techno here and there). but techno is either non existent in clubs or so underground that i'm not aware of it - and not just clubs; phonica seemed to have lumped techno in with electro and minimal, while house and nu-disco take centre stage

the irony is is that there is some seriously good techno being made in london recently, perc trax has been killing it; forward strategy group's remix of perc's "BCG" being my fav track of '10 so far - ridiculously crunchy industrial techno. then there's the whole frozen border/horizontal ground crew who have been banging out quality post-minimal techno with a hint of second-wave detroit stuff for a while now

 

[skull kid]

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such a big tune

 

[dd528]

So, for someone who's a relative novice when it comes to contemporary house and techno, what would you recommend as jumping off points into the .01% of those genres that isn't stupid music for mindless sheeple?

I've been flirting around the edges of producers/DJs like Shed, Theo Parrish, Trus'me, Tony Lionni (that's the Manc connection...), Sandwell District, The Other People Place, Shackleton, Move D, etc. I'm enjoying most of what I'm hearing, but I have no idea what I might be missing out on.

Recommendations for any decent house and techno nights in Manchester would be appreciated too. Was gutted to miss Function a couple of weeks back, but he fell on the same night as Zomby.

 

[Dusty]

Kind of agree with you, but I dont think he is DJ'ing. He's always pictured with a laptop I think he does edits on the fly or something.

You break down the track list of one of his recent sets and you will find it is composed of pretty much standard tracks. He isn't 'performing' by constantly creating custom edits on the fly, he is mixing.

 

[stephenk]

So, for someone who's a relative novice when it comes to contemporary house and techno, what would you recommend as jumping off points into the .01% of those genres that isn't stupid music for mindless sheeple?

I've been flirting around the edges of producers/DJs like Shed, Theo Parrish, Trus'me, Tony Lionni (that's the Manc connection...), Sandwell District, The Other People Place, Shackleton, Move D, etc. I'm enjoying most of what I'm hearing, but I have no idea what I might be missing out on.

Recommendations for any decent house and techno nights in Manchester would be appreciated too. Was gutted to miss Function a couple of weeks back, but he fell on the same night as Zomby.

for one - legowelt
he may have been arpeggiator disco when his profile was the highest, but he and his constant stream of aliases are having a miniature renaissance lately...the stuff on strange life records, psychic stewardess, nacho patrol, not sure when the last salamandos was but that as well...it's like ghostly smudge house...hypnagogic/hauntological/buzzword chicago house? he lives in the mid-80s, basically.

actually i'd say dutch stuff in general - clone, delsin, m-o-s, creme labels, for example

 

[shaolinsoul]

just to derail slightly, but are their any decent regular techno nights in london anymore? the club scene seems to be saturated now by either boring generic "deep" house or the bassier end of stuff (which may well take in a bit of techno here and there). but techno is either non existent in clubs or so underground that i'm not aware of it - and not just clubs; phonica seemed to have lumped techno in with electro and minimal, while house and nu-disco take centre stage

the irony is is that there is some seriously good techno being made in london recently, perc trax has been killing it; forward strategy group's remix of perc's "BCG" being my fav track of '10 so far - ridiculously crunchy industrial techno. then there's the whole frozen border/horizontal ground crew who have been banging out quality post-minimal techno with a hint of second-wave detroit stuff for a while now

Aah yeah, Perc trax is ill! I have that BCG remix and love it how it sounds on a big system. Really menacing edgy sounds.

I would want to add Modern Love and MLZ. Ive gotten into the whole HATE series they put out, which is top notch hardcore reminiscent breakbeat techno and the new one dont know the name but it has that "I just cant stop, I just cant stop" sample over and over again.

good stuff

 

[zhao]

So, for someone who's a relative novice when it comes to contemporary house and techno, what would you recommend as jumping off points into the .01% of those genres that isn't stupid music for mindless sheeple?

just off the top:

thomas brinkmann and afore mentioned wolfgang voigt for proper minimal, also older stewart walker albums i would put up there. all the Kompakt Total comps are great.

Jeff Mills but i'm still working on a definitive quality releases list among the ocean of output...

ancient methods for noise industrial goodness. some good stuff on tresor too like tobias schmidt.

what else? will list more when i think of them.

oh and i would put the VAST majority, perhaps all, of releases on labels like Creme and Bunker and Clone in the stupid music for mindless sheeple category.

 

[simon silverdollar]

So, for someone who's a relative novice when it comes to contemporary house and techno, what would you recommend as jumping off points into the .01% of those genres that isn't stupid music for mindless sheeple?

I've been flirting around the edges of producers/DJs like Shed, Theo Parrish, Trus'me, Tony Lionni (that's the Manc connection...), Sandwell District, The Other People Place, Shackleton, Move D, etc. I'm enjoying most of what I'm hearing, but I have no idea what I might be missing out on.

Recommendations for any decent house and techno nights in Manchester would be appreciated too. Was gutted to miss Function a couple of weeks back, but he fell on the same night as Zomby.

Robert Hood.

 

[Pestario]

just to derail slightly, but are their any decent regular techno nights in london anymore? the club scene seems to be saturated now by either boring generic "deep" house or the bassier end of stuff (which may well take in a bit of techno here and there). but techno is either non existent in clubs or so underground that i'm not aware of it - and not just clubs; phonica seemed to have lumped techno in with electro and minimal, while house and nu-disco take centre stage

It's a bit dismal right now. The best 'pure' techno nights (as much as I hate that word) of the last few years don't seem to be on anymore. Steve Bicknell's Lost events have basically stopped. He's got Spacebase running every other saturday at Plastic People but it's only partially techno and things often move onto house and disco. 'Closer' used to be a great night but that's stopped too. And then there's the Acid squat party scene and the occasional legit club night put on the Liberator etc people. The Hydraulix crew put on a good night at Crosica but it's only every 6 months or so.

It seems the only way to enjoy techno on a regular basis is to spot a name on a lineup for one of those ubiquitious 'house-electro-techno' nights at fabric or something but please someone prove me wrong.

 

[baboon2004]

Robert Hood.

Absolutely - doesn't get any better. And UR in general have some awesome releases, from the early days right up til, well, quite recently at the least.

Did Martin Buttrich ever release good follow-ups to Full Clip, which I thought was one of the best techno records I've ever heard?

 

[4linehaiku]

Yeah I loved Full Clip, nothing I've heard from him since has really compared though.

Bleep 43 do good Techno nights in London. Well, I've never actually been, but the lineups are good and I like Corsica Studios so I don't see how it go wrong really.

 

[Pestario]

Yeah I loved Full Clip, nothing I've heard from him since has really compared though.

Bleep 43 do good Techno nights in London. Well, I've never actually been, but the lineups are good and I like Corsica Studios so I don't see how it go wrong really.

For some reason I keep forgetting about Bleep43, cheers for the reminder. Derrick May on Friday yay