sadmanbarty
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Russ is Jamaican, am’s African. Those cultural differences are nowhere near as divergent as photek, the Pakistani bloke on original nutter and the rags twins.
Obviously there’s the whole African vs Jamaican thing, but really all these guys live in the same three post codes, have similar economic backgrounds, all know each other. They’re far more mono cultural than lee Fagan and ckp.
As I said before, I’m talking relatively. There’s always multi culturalism, but in drill it’s far less stark than buun
Currently the best music is music which isn’t creating or produced by social coillisions.
The reason these coilitions were fruitful in the past is because every group was bringing their own thing to them.
My argument is that we no longer have our own things. We need to go and create our own things again if future cultural coalitions are going to be musically innovative.
Russ is Jamaican, am’s African. Those cultural differences are nowhere near as divergent as photek, the Pakistani bloke on original nutter and the rags twins.
Obviously there’s the whole African vs Jamaican thing, but really all these guys live in the same three post codes, have similar economic backgrounds, all know each other. They’re far more mono cultural than lee Fagan and ckp.
As I said before, I’m talking relatively. There’s always multi culturalism, but in drill it’s far less stark than buun
But if you take jungle which along with UKG is the prime example. In what sense were people bringing their own thing? You had the Unity sound lot who were carrying in an unbroken sound system tradition, ragga twins and navigator doing the same lyrics over different music. But elsewhere things are a lot less clear.
What are the 'groups' involved? Is the true tribal roots music of the White Man really acid house? In what meangingful sense can this be said? And where does hip-hop fit into this? Is DJ Hype really a black geezer from the Bronx? Who are these groups and what might their 'thing' be? How would this work? I can't see it.
I mean you hate dubstep so you'll not buy this but I really loved dubstep when it was literally about 8 producers who all knew each other.
Same with funky really, at least in my experience.
Perhaps we should start a dissensus commune out in the middle of nowhere. Cut off all wifi/internet. Fire up Ableton.
I mean this was true of all these scenes, everyone in grime knew each other, were all from the same handful of postcodes. It's always very closely interconnected in this way, it's just skin colours are more varied.
Ravers brought the tempos and some of the soundscapes, the b boys bought the breaks, the dancehall lot bought some rhythmic sensibilities, McIng, cultural traditions like rewinds then you have rare groove people bringing in certain samples.
But these aren't different people from distinct tribes. Each of these genres doesn't have its own native community who meet in the marketplace.
Well that’s that then. I thought they were.
This happened a bit with futurist thread, where you weren’t happy with my definitions s we just went round round not really talking about the same thing. I defined culture a few posts ago, but that’s too broad for you. Define it for me and then I’ll see how well my argument fits with your definition.