Public Enemy vs. NWA

Public Enemy vs. NWA

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Corpsey

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
luka said:
His voice contrasts well with Flava Flavs. It's like a muppet show double act. Both cartoonish in their own ways.
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Yeah I guess flava flav indicates that there is a sense of humour in operation. But that's one of the things that turns me off about PE, they seem pretty humourless, witless, stodgy.
 
luka

luka

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Corpsey said:
Yeah I guess flava flav indicates that there is a sense of humour in operation. But that's one of the things that turns me off about PE, they seem pretty humourless, witless, stodgy.
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Well they're a fascist organisation and fascists are not known for their sense of humour.
 
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thirdform

pass the sick bucket
Luke's right that it's a different generation, when hh still had some semblance of being a grassroots social realist hardcore sound - in contradiction to then sophisticated upmarket rnb. something corpse finds harder to interface with. i think if PE was produced with 90s boom bap production techniques it would sound laboured but it's all about that huge sound, the crashing reverb. NWA bangs of course but the banger is something we are all comfortable with today, in fact we desire it to move us away from turgid sluggishness.
 
luka

luka

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Vietnam vets were directly responsible for injecting a strain of fascism into American life I think. That is the sense I got from watching Rubble Kings. This synergised with street gangs on the one hand and crypto religious orders like NoI on the other.
 
luka

luka

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Corpsey said:
Yeah this beat is good - I can't stand chuck ds haranguing delivery though.

Perhaps this is where I experience the time barrier?

Ice Cube was a sort of West coast chuck D I suppose, but he had a sort of laid back supine quality somewhere in there as well as the shouting.
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Cube was also an anti Semitic black separatist and went on to make a solo album with the Bomb Squad.
 
craner

craner

Beast of Burden
No, at least not yet, it only just occurred to me. It's not the age or sound, because I like Ultramagnetic MCs and Roxanne Shante.
 
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baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
Chuck D, Ice Cube and KRS-ONE are all declamatory in a broadly similar way, makes sense....whereas Kool Keith, Shante and others are much more playful. Presumably you like Slick Rick as well, Craner?
 
Corpsey

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
That's the evolution of hip hop from a live performance medium to primarily a recorded medium. Right?
 
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sadmanbarty

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this is like picking between benny goodman and glenn miller for me, but i did once hear this and thought it sounded like a rap version of miles' dark magus:

 
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version

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I ended up missing a P.E. lesson in school because I stood on my electric toothbrush dancing to Straight Outta Compton and the metal bit went into my foot.
 
Corpsey

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
From a political pov it's obvious that they'd never make a biopic of public Enemy ala "Straight outta Compton". Cos NWA were offensive and said fuck the police but they weren't really radical at all, in fact they presumably helped Stoke racial fear/hatred of black people living in areas like Compton - I'm wary of saying this but I wouldn't be surprised if that was the perception that someone like Chuck D would have towards them and gangsta rap.

I find efil4zaggin a profoundly depressing album. I suppose it's just deliberately shocking and silly, really, but it still comes across as the most retrograde sort of music imaginable. I guess it set the tone for the Chronic and Doggystyle, though - nihilistic in the main, with the odd pause for reflection.
 
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