its either all wrong or none of it is. it screws up everyones life.
there we go.
at last ...
is the whole argument above just nitpicking about the meaning of the term `racist'? maybe so.
its either all wrong or none of it is. it screws up everyones life.
however, for WHITE people to call a BLACK AMERICAN "a racist", is far more inadvisable. always. every time. and this idea approach to these issues does not only work in books. strangely enough, i'm not that big on reading about things like this. i far prefer to approach the world in real-life terms, especially when it comes to real-world issues like this.
There is nothing in the quotes you took from MD that is comparable to the stuff in Theo Parrish's interview saying "whites shouldn't be there". I think that statement crosses over a line from paranoid/righteous (delete as appropriate) anger into racism."I wasn't surprised at all by it; it reminded me of Miles Davis's autobiography - full of the same anger and confusion about how white people treat black people - and if your only response to that is "but not all white people are racist; how dare he" it's really missing the point."
In fairness I think at least one of those comments was a joke."Stelfox just wants to shut everybody up, because he is RIGHT"
Yeah, I know, that's why I pointed it out to the guy that didn't."Don't be a knob, i was joking."
As it happens I don't think positive discrimination is necessarily a bad idea, at least as far as education is concerned, because there is still a big gap and anything that can be done to close it is at least worth looking at. The good news is black kids' GCSE results are improving faster than the average, so (in the UK at least) the gap is narrowing.i can see what dave is saying here. its kind of like arguing against positive discrimination, cos it is discrimination in some form or another.
Yeah, it's funny that, isn't it? You kind of assume anyone who's militantly anti-immigration is going to be some xenophobic Little Englander, but immigration gets a lot of vociferous opposition from people who are themselves immigrants, or the children of immigrants. I guess they're more likely to be at the lower end of things economically, and will naturally resent a new flux of people who are going to compete with them for housing and so on and maybe cause wage deflation.however, everyone can be racist and i think its abhorrent. here in south london i've heard west indian people saying appalling things about poles, the usual shit they'd have got when they arrived.
As it happens I don't think positive discrimination is necessarily a bad idea, at least as far as education is concerned, because there is still a big gap and anything that can be done to close it is at least worth looking at. The good news is black kids' GCSE results are improving faster than the average, so (in the UK at least) the gap is narrowing.
(Also, who's Dave?)
Yeah, it's funny that, isn't it? You kind of assume anyone who's militantly anti-immigration is going to be some xenophobic Little Englander, but immigration gets a lot of vociferous opposition from people who are themselves immigrants, or the children of immigrants. I guess they're more likely to be at the lower end of things economically, and will naturally resent a new flux of people who are going to compete with them for housing and so on and maybe cause wage deflation.
Of course, let's just all only talk about how we are personally disadvantaged, that sounds like a great recipe for unity and fighting power. Or is it only black people who have right to complain about anything?
It's fucking stupid and offensive. No wonder you get people talking about how the white working class has been abandoned.
If you are black, or fat, or gay, or whatever, and you look at everything through that lens, if your whole identity is bound up in that then, apart from most likely being an asshole, you are going to have a very distorted view of the world and how others experience it. You are going to resent your fellows and assume they have an easy time or are somehow responsible for your suffering because they don't have exactly the same experience as you. And you are going to miss who the real enemy is, that we share.
So let's fight amongst ourselves and blame each other while the rich and powerful laugh at our division.
Early culture war clash on dissensus.
For me it's fairly obvious what you're buying into with Theo Parrishes music. If you like the music you're already a conservative reactionary. You don't have a right to be shocked by the opinions in the interviews.
I don't see how liking theo's music makes you a conservative reactionary, and I'm pretty divided on him, but he's made some stuff which is more machinic than any pre-2001 4x4 london garage.
What, even when they're being just that? I can't really see the problems of racism and racial inequality getting much better any time soon when you've got people, of any skin colour, promoting segregation the way he seems to be (at clubs/parties, where people are supposed to relax, have fun and forget about their hang-ups, right?). He also trots out some tired Afrocentrist rubbish about how "all music music is originated on black experience".
He's got some good points, but he's got some badly over-simplified and misdirected ones too.
Edit: he also thinks RATM were an "all-white band", bless.
There's some question as to whether or not Theo Parrish is actually in a position of privilege and power relative to white dance artists and audiences, though, or at least whether they're in a position of privilege and power relative to him. I don't know much about his background but he's university educated and a respected techno producer. And the parties where the belleville 3 began - parties where white people 'didn't belong' - were distinctly well heeled affairs. So the idea that because he's black he's automatically in the role of the oppressed seems a bit reductionist.