padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
Chris christie is saying Pennsylvania will decide the election- can anyone speak to that?
it's the most probable "tipping point" state i.e. the one that will get whoever wins over 270 in the Electoral College

another way of saying it's the key swing state that's hardest to call
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
it doesn't really surprise me that Biden would do worse with Hispanic voters in FL and better in the southwest

for one, Cuban-Americans for obvious reasons are vastly more Republican than Hispanic voters in general

for another, there's been researching show that as 2nd-3rd-etc gen Hispanic voters assimilate they tend to move right

which makes sense since the defining characteristic of "Hispanic" is language, not race, even as a social construct

or as the U.S. census puts it - unintentionally highlighting the murkiness of race - "Hispanic or Latino of any race"

the southwest - more new immigrants, and from different countries, less likely have deep-rooted mistrust of "socialism"
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
still too close to call

winning AZ was good, losing OH was bad, losing NC was arguably worse. Biden needs PA or GA (or both if he loses WI and MI).

Trump is up by ~8 in GA but NYT needle has it as basically a dead heat bc most of the remaining vote is from very blue Atlanta + suburbs

a nailbiter going either way was a realistic outcome tonight, the only near-impossibility was a Trump EC landslide (and winning the popular vote)
 
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padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
Biden is doing better than Hillary, I will say that

by this time in 2016 - even allowing for counting taking longer with mail-in ballots this time - she was totally done (at least in EC terms)

which doesn't mean Biden will necessarily win
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
perfect (he's currently losing the popular vote by 1.5m votes so yeah, up big)


I wouldn't be surprised if that's preplanned his endgame here

unilaterally declare victory while it's close enough to pretend he's about to get jobbed

low risk - as there's virtually no low bar for his subversion of political norms, or behavior in general - potentially high-reward

his people probably knew directly blocking votes was a low-percentage strategy but it still works as a setup for this nonsense
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
this motherfucker is really going to just come out and unilaterally declare victory with no legal backing and try to make it stick

in one sense I'm not surprised at all, because why would I be, and he's also been almost openly saying he'd do just that for weeks now

but in a historical sense, it's still pretty fucking shocking
 

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reading takes online that say if not for covid this is a trump victory with little contest, not sure how convinced I am but its a thought
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
reading takes online that say if not for covid this is a trump victory with little contest, not sure how convinced I am but its a thought
his utter ineptitude with COVID is obviously hurting him, but without COVID it's such a different campaign - a different year - that's it hard to say

I would be hesitant to make that kind of claim with any assuredness, anyway

but then, people have to come up with takes to attract eyeballs and it's plausible enough, so
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
which is a big deal bc if that and his Arizona win both hold (and he wins NV as expected)

then he only needs 2/3 of PA, WI and MI (assuming Trump wins everything else still in play including GA)

if Biden holds MI-WI and loses everything else he'd win 270-268, based on that single NE congressional district EC vote

which would be pretty fucking wild
 
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