threshold

[Murphy]

Dweller on the threshold.

Liminality is a weird world. Borders. Transgressive journeys, physically or psychically. Circled around it with landscape studies, linguistics and anthropology. Van Gennep and Turner et al. Tara‘s location as a luminal centre was the personal interest and focus.

Atmospheres have them. Stepping into/out of a pub. Through ritual/rites. Stations of the cross. Remembering the thick, electrified incense-heavy air at the cathedral in Lourdes. Through language and music. Coil were loads of fun and better guides than Van Gennep and Turner. The oh fuck moment of a heavy E/acid combo dose hitting and the ever so brief borderlands where you’re in both worlds temporally, not to cheapen the experience.

 

[constant escape]

Not totally sure how "bottlenecks" and "thresholds" are related, but there's a connection there

Maybe bottlenecks serve to compress/congest fluid or continuous input, in order to process that input in discrete chunks.

 

[catalog]

What I'm interested in with regard to conversion moments is things like when the stone roses took ecstasy and made fools gold.

Or when people who previously did not like jungle suddenly get it and proselytise it.

The convert becomes the proudest. exponent.

Like when malcolm little finds Islam and becomes malcolm x.

Or when valmiki stops his robbing and murdering and sits down to write the ramayana.

But its not thresholds as such in the way of lukes original post. But related.

 

[catalog]

if you do a dissensus search it's usually indicating the moment at which quantitive change becomes qualitative

This makes me think of that film 'the men from the agency' and they talk about how Charles saatchi used to sit and do the times crossword every day with his feet up, and they got British Airways as a client, and someone else in the team came up with:

"The world's number 1 airline"

And they were all very pleased and young Charles, the upstart, gets up from behind his desk, comes over to the board, crosses out '' 'number 1' and writes 'favourite' in its place.

The movement from boring numerical order to emotion.

 

[sus]

The difference between thresholds and bottlenecks seems to be between growing and stagnating in the face of some gate. With bottlenecks, the gate flips at a certain time regardless of what you do. The threshold you have to rise to meet it. And intervalic gating is something else—the binary that destroys the continuum.

 

[Murphy]

A good site party outdoors under the stars. The acoustic boundaries leading towards it on foot. Hearing the first thump. Entering the marquee/tent and the temperature acceleration upward. The lack of light outside, leading into warped colours and bodies. Or at sunrise - the beginning of this short clip gets close, about *8am, seeing the lass on the speakers (*as opposed to an argument for House snore)

 

[line b]

What I'm interested in with regard to conversion moments is things like when the stone roses took ecstasy and made fools gold.

Or when people who previously did not like jungle suddenly get it and proselytise it.

The convert becomes the proudest. exponent.

Like when malcolm little finds Islam and becomes malcolm x.

Or when valmiki stops his robbing and murdering and sits down to write the ramayana.

But its not thresholds as such in the way of lukes original post. But related.

humor is crucial for these types of personal transformations. breaks up all that cathected energy, the libidinal bottleneck

 

[catalog]

It requires a radical recentering of your perspective.

 

[IdleRich]

The English countryside is like that, villages raise a vertical, a church spire as a certain threshold is crossed.

Always amazes me every time you see a little hamlet with a spire... was no-one "Fuck that, let's have a pub"? Probably they all were but no-one dared speak out. Seems an extraordinary act of profligacy compared to the apparent wealth of the villages.

 

[IdleRich]

Clearly demonstrated, from what I gather, in the US electoral system, wherein there is a strict threshold which need to be passed by vote count, in order to activate the output of that particular organ, that particular state.

Yeah I think it can effectively be considered as continuous input... the name "first past the post" makes the threshold explicit of course.

 

[Murphy]

Transcendence has a launchpad courtesy of thresholds. The subconscious returns the call. Ping. Partially intuition, slippery as fuck to catch. It’s not clay pigeon shooting.

If the uncanny has a bell curve experientially, thresholds are the gateway too. Reading K-Punk’s book, such spellbinding focus and range.

 

[catalog]

"first past the post"

The idea of a linear race is implicit in the idea of thresholds

 

[IdleRich]

Road to Damascus moments? or is that something else?

My guess is that, the original example, in the Bible when God blinds Saul and he just switches, is not a threshold being crossed, it's just an instantaneous switch. However, in common usage I suspect that most people's Damascene moments are "final straw" or "levee breaking" type things where a threshold is finally smashed through.

 

[Murphy]

Causewayed Enclosures | Historic England

Introductions to Heritage Assets: An introduction to causewayed enclosures describing their form and common plan.

historicengland.org.uk

Threshold House

Coil's own label. Non-Musical releases: · Coil magazine 'Open The Bloodgates' (1988, 1,500 copies, £2.00 UK, £2.50 Europe, £4.00 Other)

www.discogs.com

 

[sus]

Always amazes me every time you see a little hamlet with a spire... was no-one "Fuck that, let's have a pub"? Probably they all were but no-one dared speak out. Seems an extraordinary act of profligacy compared to the apparent wealth of the villages.

Can we get some pics? I assumed Luka was memeing but now I'm intrigued

 

[IdleRich]

Well, surely the same in US? But, I remember thinking this specifically when I was in Norfolk with a girlfriend to spend a few days at the beach and so on... going through the area and seeing these tiny villages with churches and thinking how were they ever wealthy enough to build them?
But even in the village where I grew up (which apparently has a last recorded population of 783) has a relatively large church built 800 years ago. How could something that required so much money and effort have been a priority for a tiny group of a few hundred people? How long would it take to build even?

 

[constant escape]

Could it be a case where people worked, or were coerced to work, for free, for the glory of God?

I'd imagine that could siphon otherwise anomalous amounts labor power.

 

[IdleRich]

I think it had to be done. People had to go to church to avoid hell. So once a dwelling reached a certain size it was taken as read that it was needed - in the same way that now we assume the necessity of running water or whatever. So it had to be made, whatever sacrifices I guess.

 

[version]

Have you ever played Age of Empires? And when your civilization reaches a certain stage of development, of centralised wealth and organised manpower, it raises a monument?

The English countryside is like that, villages raise a vertical, a church spire as a certain threshold is crossed.

Reminds me of supermarket clocks in the Supermarket Architecture thread.

The clock tower thing feels as though they're announcing themselves as the centre of your world. This is where you all congregate. This is your new church, your new town hall.

 

[version]

Dweller on the threshold.

Liminality is a weird world. Borders. Transgressive journeys, physically or psychically. Circled around it with landscape studies, linguistics and anthropology. Van Gennep and Turner et al. Tara‘s location as a luminal centre was the personal interest and focus.

Atmospheres have them. Stepping into/out of a pub. Through ritual/rites. Stations of the cross. Remembering the thick, electrified incense-heavy air at the cathedral in Lourdes. Through language and music. Coil were loads of fun and better guides than Van Gennep and Turner. The oh fuck moment of a heavy E/acid combo dose hitting and the ever so brief borderlands where you’re in both worlds temporally, not to cheapen the experience.

I experienced a really intense one after spending a night on ket. It felt as though the world had been replaced by a perfect copy once I entered my mate's house and as I left I was walking back out into something simultaneously alien and familiar. The feeling didn't wear off for a good few hours and nobody being around only intensified it. It was as though I'd been shrunk and dropped into an exact replica or something.