Brexit Day

[hmg]

Scottish Indy Ref round 23

Get back in your sporran

I think it was a professional wrestler in the '90s WWF

That's weird, I didn't write that

 

[Murphy]

Get back to your Roger Moore impressions.

 

[Mr. Tea]

@146 I.Q. Magical thinker when he thinks he's been dissed by @WashYourHands:

 

[luka]

It's interesting that beef. They're both about 50. WYH has the clear avandage.

 

[version]

This must have been made by an American.

 

[version]

"love me dog, love me wife."

 

[Mr. Tea]

It's interesting that beef. They're both about 50. WYH has the clear avandage.

There's only one way to settle this...

 

[IdleRich]

Brexit may hurt a lot of people.... but now we know who the real victim.

 

[Mr. Tea]

Well, she should know, I suppose.

 

[version]

Apparently Boris' deal's more or less the same as May's?

 

[luka]

I've just opened a beer.

Version will you be opening a beer? I'm about to open a beer. Budvar.

 

[luka]

Many on Dissensus, especially Rich and Tea, are in despair that this moment has arrived. For them, this can never be the journey to somewhere better: instead it is the equivalent of the last helicopter leaving the roof of the US embassy in Saigon in 1975.

The lefties who voted for Brexit see it differently. For them (us, actually, because I am one of them), the vote to leave was historically progressive. It marked the rejection of a status quo that was only delivering for the better off by those who demanded their voice was heard. Far from being a reactionary spasm, Brexit was democracy in action.
Now Dissensus has a choice. It can continue to mourn or it can take advantage of the opportunities that Brexit has provided. For a number of reasons, it makes sense to adopt the latter course.

 

[Murphy]

It could, but you also have to factor in a Tory establishment into any higher order of pragmatism.

Therein lies the rub.

 

[luka]

That's the rub yep. I didn't vote Brexit, for that reason.

 

[luka]

As a country we are to the left of most of Europe though. I would say Europe is 90% fascist.

 

[luka]

their left has more balls though they set things on fire and that which is great, throw acid at cops and what not. But in terms of general social attitudes we are the most left wing country in the EU

 

[Murphy]

I don’t see the point of pearl clutching about it either. It’s done, but Scots Indy ref will come around again and you could see far more alignment between the SNP, Plaid C and Sinn Fein/Independents in NI, like we’re seeing with devolved govts and their positions over Covid.

I used to bemoan devolution as a Labour Party hobby horse, but one figure to shine in recent months has been Mark Drakeford. Should think about a run at the Labour leadership, but his bookish charm won’t go down well in other parts of Britain.

There are ways to adapt opportunities but our political establishment will squander it.

 

[Mr. Tea]

Many on Dissensus, especially Rich and Tea, are in despair that this moment has arrived. For them, this can never be the journey to somewhere better: instead it is the equivalent of the last helicopter leaving the roof of the US embassy in Saigon in 1975.

The lefties who voted for Brexit see it differently. For them (us, actually, because I am one of them), the vote to leave was historically progressive. It marked the rejection of a status quo that was only delivering for the better off by those who demanded their voice was heard. Far from being a reactionary spasm, Brexit was democracy in action.
Now Dissensus has a choice. It can continue to mourn or it can take advantage of the opportunities that Brexit has provided. For a number of reasons, it makes sense to adopt the latter course.

Ha! Where have you adapted that from?

 

[luka]

Larry Elliot

 

[luka]

There's definitely a lot of fear in the EU that we are gunna smash it without them. I do think we are the best country in Europe by a million miles so if anyone can succeed alone it's us