Election 2020

[constant escape]

I admit I do have a problem in frequently (as in throughout the process of writing out most sentences) getting swept up in clarifying conceptual problems, which tends to launch me off the ground and keep me in the air.

 

[version]

Sigh. Please tell us all about your extensive experience and knowledge of the lower class and how they suffer.

This reads like something you'd stick over that Willy Wonka meme.

 

[IdleRich]

The second American Civil War has broken out!

 

[linebaugh]

Maybe you dont intend it this way but that comes off like youre saying they wouldnt be angry if no one told them they should be. I don't believe that

 

[constant escape]

I admit I do have a problem in frequently (as in throughout the process of writing out most sentences) getting swept up in clarifying conceptual problems, which tends to launch me off the ground and keep me in the air.

Which seems to be the reason academia is academic, insofar as academic is used to mean immaterial.

 

[IdleRich]

The second American Civil War has broken out!

And to clarify my words yet again, I AM talking about on dissensus, NOT in Washington DC.

 

[linebaugh]

@linebaugh You realize that the poverty line is a relative marker, right? It's just a percentile of material well-being.

my original point was precarity. the people that cant afford emergency

 

[constant escape]

Maybe you dont intend it this way but that comes off like youre saying they wouldnt be angry if no one told them they should be. I don't believe that

Thats what I was trying to clarify, but I also think he's making a good point. Same could be said for many of the arguments made here. Good points embedded within a string of words that isn't entirely worth salvaging. Just the good parts. How?

 

[version]

Gus is Iron Man, Linebaugh's Captain America.

 

[IdleRich]

@linebaugh You realize that the poverty line is a relative marker, right? It's just a percentile of material well-being.

Yes and no. There is relative poverty and absolute poverty... I get the impression that some people in the US are at the point of what I would call absolute poverty in that they can't feed, clothe or heal themselves, which makes considerations of how wealthy they are compared to other people moot.

 

[IdleRich]

Over time, the rage of the lower class fluctuates. Material well-being steadily improves.

Does it though? Are you sure there are fewer people starving in the US than there were 20 years ago or whatever?

 

[linebaugh]

I don't understand how material well being has improved for the people working at the gas station, the opposite is true

 

[IdleRich]

I mean there could be more people starving and it's a smaller percentage (due to population growth) but that might lead to an increase in rage right?

 

[version]

A journey through a land of extreme poverty: welcome to America

The UN’s Philip Alston is an expert on deprivation – and he wants to know why 41m Americans are living in poverty. The Guardian joined him on a special two-week mission into the dark heart of the world’s richest nation

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Hookworm, a disease of extreme poverty, is thriving in the US south. Why?

Exclusive: in America, the world’s richest country, diseases that thrive amid poverty are rampant, the first study of its kind in modern times shows

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[IdleRich]

We don't count people starving cos we know there are so few sounds like a circular argument to me....
But forget actual starving, I would say that if you feel you need to use a foodbank or a soup kitchen you ARE in absolute poverty aren't you? I mean maybe some people do it to save money on food so they can buy that ferrari but must be a minority.

 

[linebaugh]

And no, "precarity" has not increased, in the old days if you had a medical condition you didn't go into debt, you just died.

how is that related?

 

[linebaugh]

The federal reserve says %40 of americans cant afford a $400 emergency.

 

[IdleRich]

I dont think the cali boys even believe the lower class exists. they think its a myth sold to us by politicians and woke ad campaigns

 

[linebaugh]

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

www.bloomberg.com

thats behind a paywall

 

[constant escape]

I interpreted @suspended 's point this way.

Interpretation of material circumstances can compound the direct effects of material circumstances, such that the rage someone feels in response to their circumstances is always partially exogenous to their actual experience. If it doesn't directly come from within their experience, where does it come from? From political narratives. From explanations about wider circumstances offered to the subject by outside sources, wider circumstances the subject can only experience indirectly.

edit: because they can't simultaneously be experiencing millions of material situations. They must rely on condensed testimonies, no?