shakahislop
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sometimes i'm quite amazed by how much music i listened to from california as a teenager. ideas beamed in from the other side of the world.
There is one place in Lisbon where you see that... surprising to me that people are openly smoking crack within 50m of one of the biggest police stations.i'd tentatively disagree, insofar as someone who's not from there can say anything about this sort of thing. haven't seen anything like it in other bits of the us except of LA. it probably is like you say just that people do it outside rather than in houses. but it is quite striking to see. i don't know if the visibility of it says anything at all about respective severity of drug problems in different cities or countries. it's just that the experience of being around it all is really remarkable, without many equivalents.
When did you first get into her? What turned you on? Was it just in the water supply?really? i hadn't noticed but well deserved if so, if only on the basis of Pirates, an amazing album
It was a famous, if infamously opaque, piece by Ian Penman about the Song - written in 1982 i think, the sequel to an early thinkpiece about torch songs. He critiqued the failings of postpunkers turned aspiring writers of Song - eg. ABC, Scritti Politti, etc - and then exalted Pirates as this overlooked mistresspiece.When did you first get into her? What turned you on? Was it just in the water supply?
That's how it always goes, right? You'll have these prejudices against certain gestures, genres, aesthetic markers, formal gestures that stand for ideology. And then you stumble across something you can't help but love *despite* its being in the genre, *despite* its "sound." For reasons that are a deeper than its "sound" (in the sociological, highly symbolic sense of sound). And then pretty soon you realize you've grown a taste for the surface, for all those aesthetic markers. And with people too, right?initially I was a little thrown off by the classy gloss of the sound, that sort of Warner Bros post-Little Feat / Steely Dan session musicianship sound - very far from what I would be listening at that time. By the wonderfully free, born-to-sing way she sang, and the dance of the words, won me over - and then I grew to like "that kind of thing".
i think i sort of know what you are trying to say. these hipster revaluations are always occuring, where new zones of affect are captured and colonised. the yacht rock, high-gloss territory was taken over a long time agoThat's how it always goes, right? You'll have these prejudices against certain gestures, genres, aesthetic markers, formal gestures that stand for ideology. And then you stumble across something you can't help but love *despite* its being in the genre, *despite* its "sound." For reasons that are a deeper than its "sound" (in the sociological, highly symbolic sense of sound). And then pretty soon you realize you've grown a taste for the surface, for all those aesthetic markers. And with people too, right?
That's how it always goes, right? You'll have these prejudices against certain gestures, genres, aesthetic markers, formal gestures (HE MEANS SWASTIKAS) that stand for ideology. And then you stumble across something you can't help but love *despite* its being in the genre, *despite* its "SWASTIKA" For reasons that are a deeper than its "sound" (in the sociological, highly symbolic sense of sound). And then pretty soon you realize you've grown a taste for the SWASTIKA, for all those aesthetic markers. And with people too, right? NOW YOU LIKE NAZIS AND WANT TO BE FRIENDS WITH THEM
This makes me sad Luka. I think you should know how sad I feel. I tried to interact with my idol blissblogger of Shock and Awe fame by saying something I thought was mildly clever about rockism and the high modernist soundscape of amplified guitar, and you called me a Nazi in front of him. He probably won't answer any of my fanmail now from fear of being cancelled, even if I say very nice and clever things in it.usually when you see arguments like this from Gus hes trying to trick you into being a nazi
stop moaning and carry on the conversation. you had some good insights in embryonic form we want you to flesh them out and avoid the nazi implications
Where's it been talked about give me a thread to readthere is something there obviously and its been talked about here exhaustively. for example, to take the genteel - coarse spectrum
and where you place yourself on it at any given time and in any given situation
you might say, for instance, in your mode of behaviour, i free you, the person im with from the onerous performance-demands of eg
having to be exquisitely delicate and aware in the way you place your bone china tea cup back on the saucer
and you also say, our nerves are not so finely tuned that any loud noise disturbs us and that we flinch at every belch or bodily noise
and that our sensibilites are not so delicate that any crude turn of phrases makes us turn pale. enunciation, posture, deportment
and of course this maps precisely and perfectly onto music and you are also right that we can appreciate and enjoy and admire the
operations of all points on that spectrum, potentially, although there are positions at the extremes we might blanch at and a zone
in then middle which seems dul