The Coming Authoritarianism.

[mixed_biscuits]

 

[Murphy]

It’s always cold in Sweden though, isn’t it

 

[Mr. Tea]

OH MY GOD, THIS IS LITERALLY LIKE AUSCHWITZ OR SOMETHING!!! WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE DO SOMETHING TO PREVENT THIS APPALLING ATROCITY!!!

 

[mixed_biscuits]

It doesn't have to be like Auschwitz to be insane

 

[mixed_biscuits]

 

[Clinamenic]

I think @mixed_biscuits 's implicit point is that the justification of a nearing-totalitarian system, is incidental to the existence of such a system.

 

[Clinamenic]

The fact that our societies can be systematized, by the combo of public and private policy, to such a nuanced and total degree of control, regardless of whether or not the situation warrants it, is what so many people find appalling, I think.

 

[Clinamenic]

In other words, it seems that what people find appalling is not that the pandemic doesn't justify such strict control of our behavior, but that our behavior can be controlled so strictly to begin with, no matter the justifying circumstances.

 

[luka]

The fact that our societies can be systematized, by the combo of public and private policy, to such a nuanced and total degree of control, regardless of whether or not the situation warrants it, is what so many people find appalling, I think.

correct. hence why a forum such as this might have a thread titled the coming authoritarianism

 

[mixed_biscuits]

Pass is announced before having been voted on:

 

[Mr. Tea]

Meanwhile, protest is now in effect totally illegal, and an estimated two million voters will be disenfranchised by the next election if the planned requirement for voter photo ID goes ahead.

But sure, a minor bureaucratic impediment to our God-given right to consume entertainment is the greatest threat to our liberty.

 

[mixed_biscuits]

They're two sides of the same plan

 

[Mr. Tea]

The amount of public backlash each of them is generating is drastically out of line with how serious they are, and if I were given to conspiracy theories I might suspect that one is being promoted intentionally as a smokescreen for the other.

 

[mixed_biscuits]

You really can't see a slippery slope problem with the principle of having to prove you're sufficiently acceptable in some way before accessing society ie. social credit?

 

[mixed_biscuits]

Furthermore, the pass will become a de facto national ID card; what do you think the Tories will do with all of the people they uncover and deem not entitled to be here?

 

[mixed_biscuits]

The term 'anti-vaxxer' is already being applied to those who are against vax policy as well as the unjabbed...it's a short step to using the app to tag 'enemies of the state'

 

[mixed_biscuits]

The fundamental shift in principle is that one is by default unacceptable unless one has done the latest thing directed by the authorities.

 

[Leo]

do you think they already have you in their sights, mixed? think you're on "the list"?

 

[luka]

do you think they already have you in their sights, mixed? think you're on "the list"?

well if we assume he is refuses the jab then i guess he will end up on a list, or off a list, which amounts to the same thing!

 

[luka]

imo, biscuits makes it too easy for himself when he says the virus isnt real and so we dont need to take any measures to tackle it.
it turns a complex problem into a simple one.