White people ruining shit for other white people

[version]

i liked his end of year list a lot this year, but that was the first i've heard of him.

He wrote a great review of Autechre's NTS Sessions that mvuent's fond of referencing,

"So much on NTS Sessions seems to offer a hypothetical alternate timeline to ’80s electronic music: What if it all just kept growing? What if each and every Latin Rascals razor blade micro edit was to re-edit itself violently? What if the stuttering vocals of Miami bass dubs were to develop sub-stutters? If all the acid house squelches grew into roars? If the extended DJ mixes lasted for entire days? And what if all the oh-shit moments that first came with these innovations were still central to the enjoyment of contemporary dance music? It would, presumably, keep evolving until it was no longer even recognizable as such."

Autechre: NTS Sessions 1-4

Autechre’s eight-hour NTS Sessions adds another level of the British duo’s legacy. Though it’s created by a computer, it will bring you to another plane of human existence if you let it.

pitchfork.com

 

[forclosure]

why are you proud? Corpsey has no cast-iron taste of his own to begin with.

i mean you could say he still doesn't that's the only explanation as to why he'd get really into somebody as middle of the road as Dababy

 

[version]

i mean i think Tom Mcdonald isn't the best example cause his whole thing is about trying to get you to critique his raps on a bar by bar basis in terms of their content rather than anything else but in his case his content is whinging about sensitive social justice warriors and cancel culture.

he's no different than politicians now where you can't focus on one controversial thing for too long cause 15 things fall ontop of you soon after

He reminds me of Laurence Fox.

 

[thirdform]

It's a wonderful record, one of the oughts classics. Yeah it's about teenagers, it's all a bit romantic and sentimental etc etc but rock music is a genre for teenagers, so

This has always been why rock can sell millions but never direct the cultural conversation.

 

[thirdform]

i mean you could say he still doesn't that's the only explanation as to why he'd get really into somebody as middle of the road as Dababy

It's definitely a thing with anglo suburbanites. Lack of commitment as a form of tenderness. Benny was saying righteousness and hype is overrated today, which may be the case, but why listen to popular music if so? There's a vast panorama of mostly academic, intellectual music to listen to, in that sorta austere, jaded scenario.

 

[shakahislop]

for me, as an anglo suburbanite, there's something pretty compelling about DaBaby's flow. the other ingredient is the uglyness of it. he has a particular way of doing macho bullshit and putting women down that is ugly enough that it's quite expressive. listened to the below about 20 times last week, never want to hear it again, there's no depth there, nothing below the surface, but its a surface i get something out of. there's an interesting thread as well in the pornographic-ness of it, which is something that i think emerged quite strongly in mainsteam hiphop over the last decade. i get why you call it middle of the road, but for me one of the appeals of this kind of thing is that if you take mainstream culture as a whole, a lot of this rap that gets popular is weirdly not middle of the road, its fairly out there i think, kind of extreme

 

[Murphy]

= how people view the Grateful Dead in Britain, so a testimony

My Dad took me to a Dead show at Wembley 1990. Never really listened to them before the gig much. Didn’t know a lot beyond Bear and his role in PA design, vague 60’s notions. Got a lift in a minibus full of WWII-era sketchies, half of them munching on mushrooms, slaughtering cans. Hectic. Necked a dove before entry, logic being “it’ll make it an actual event”. Pill kicked in way too hard

Moment I saw the first lines outside, wanted to bail. Crowd was brazenly fried. Old rockers, brut-aftershave, hash, sprinkling of Hawkwind t-shirts, mix of generations. Demographics 99% white, 40% *gimpy yanks in absurd clothes, tie-dye everything. *Clearly monied, overtly enthusiastic, kicking sacks, dreads = enough to warrant cracking a cunt. Have a shower, you filthy cunts

Huge merch stall navigated, no rhythm bongo circle polywarping. Found the old man and everything somehow shifted into a groove which half-translated. Problem was the devotional mood, the onslaught of jam band types who were younger, even going for a piss they were everywhere

Devotion, stupid clothes, an audience which inhabited the worst dregs of the 60’s and an unquestioning 18-30 younger, very white half-crusty American fuckwit mob who were following the entire tour. It was only after Garcia’s death that I really started listening, who Merl Saunders was, the Rhythm Devils, where/when Legion of Mary played, the masses of soundboards and how much joy there is to be found in said archive if you sieve and avoid letting white people ruin it for you

 

[shakahislop]

= how people view the Grateful Dead in Britain, so a testimony

My Dad took me to a Dead show at Wembley 1990. Never really listened to them before the gig much. Didn’t know a lot beyond Bear and his role in PA design, vague 60’s notions. Got a lift in a minibus full of WWII-era sketchies, half of them munching on mushrooms, slaughtering cans. Hectic. Necked a dove before entry, logic being “it’ll make it an actual event”. Pill kicked in way too hard

Moment I saw the first lines outside, wanted to bail. Crowd was brazenly fried. Old rockers, brut-aftershave, hash, sprinkling of Hawkwind t-shirts, mix of generations. Demographics 99% white, 40% *gimpy yanks in absurd clothes, tie-dye everything. *Clearly monied, overtly enthusiastic, kicking sacks, dreads = enough to warrant cracking a cunt. Have a shower, you filthy cunts

Huge merch stall navigated, no rhythm bongo circle polywarping. Found the old man and everything somehow shifted into a groove which half-translated. Problem was the devotional mood, the onslaught of jam band types who were younger, even going for a piss they were everywhere

Devotion, stupid clothes, an audience which inhabited the worst dregs of the 60’s and an unquestioning 18-30 younger, very white half-crusty American fuckwit mob who were following the entire tour. It was only after Garcia’s death that I really started listening, who Merl Saunders was, the Rhythm Devils, where/when Legion of Mary played, the masses of soundboards and how much joy there is to be found in said archive if you sieve and avoid letting white people ruin it for you

very nice post, but this isn't the coronavirus thread

 

[Murphy]

Shaka is white and ruining it again

 

[forclosure]

here @luka here's an album to listen to and upset the neighbours, its a classic

 

[forclosure]

for me, as an anglo suburbanite, there's something pretty compelling about DaBaby's flow. the other ingredient is the uglyness of it. he has a particular way of doing macho bullshit and putting women down that is ugly enough that it's quite expressive. listened to the below about 20 times last week, never want to hear it again, there's no depth there, nothing below the surface, but its a surface i get something out of. there's an interesting thread as well in the pornographic-ness of it, which is something that i think emerged quite strongly in mainsteam hiphop over the last decade. i get why you call it middle of the road, but for me one of the appeals of this kind of thing is that if you take mainstream culture as a whole, a lot of this rap that gets popular is weirdly not middle of the road, its fairly out there i think, kind of extreme

oh yeah there's definitly rap out there that's on that level makes everything else that much blander but i associate that with somebody like Lil Uzi Vert than Dababy or say Moneybagg Yo

 

[forclosure]

i think my other issue with Dababy @shakahislop is that he's made that exact song 20,30 times already and listen there's rappers who are great at doing one thing over and over but there's a shifting element there where they change and reconfigure parts around that make it interesting whether it be through, language, flows ,melodies or whatever guys that come to mind for me are like Gucci Mane,Redman,Gunplay (when he was still good) Vic Spencer,Roc Marciano, Babyface Ray,Pink Siifu...

I don't get that from Dababy

hell if i wanted macho bullshit and putting down women over that style of beats,as humourless as alot of his music has been lately i'd rather listen to Future

 

[forclosure]

hell even Roddy Ricch,he's currently getting hammered right now cause his most recent album was seen as pretty middling but "The Box" exactly fits what you're talking about

he's the kind of rapper who can blend in with almost every kind of song, but at the same times it means he borrows flows and ideas from everybody which leads him to being kinda bland and indistinct

 

[wg-]

White people running ethnic street food stalls is the best example of this why do i want to spend six quid on a taco with a private school education

Hate that shit

 

[wg-]

I will stay out the music one as I've been both sides of the equation i think and neither are that good in the long run

 

[luka]

this seems like a problem specific to the UK. other countries let immigrants with fuck all money who cant hardly speak english set up those kind of low cost businesses and sell us some noodles or whatever but for some reason we can't do that we have to muscle in and have Arlo and Seb doing it

 

[forclosure]

White people running ethnic street food stalls is the best example of this why do i want to spend six quid on a taco with a private school education

Hate that shit

i'm curious to know where you find taco places in London? i agree the "street food" business is a perfect example of this

 

[luka]

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locations.tacobell.co.uk

 

[wg-]

I like the stall in greenwich market, those lads seem non-English enough for me to feel comfortable buying from them

There's loads about these days though

 

[sus]