Russia Surrounded
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shakahislop
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how long before everyone gets bored of this crisis? i give it a couple more weeks, barring any major developments. the affective power is wearing off
Leo
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guess it depends on how things go, people might start paying more attention if it starts affecting them directly (food or fuel shortages, rising prices, etc.). also might be hard to compare with other conflicts because those didn't have a Zelensky driving TV coverage and social media chatter.
Clinamenic
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In a way, its in Ukraine's interest if this remains a global spectacle, insofar as it would force the crisis to remain in the conversation, which, after all, can have material consequences. I wonder if there is some information operation they have, geared around sustaining the newsworthiness of the conflict, as well as managing the optics.
toko
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the only thing Russians will seriously demand is i think formal recognition of Crimea/occupied regions. putin realizes, (or maybe not idk) that neutrality is politically impossible for any Ukraine government. a promise to be neutral would be broken if the current gov if not the next. and since he has to come to peace terms with the present government, "denazification", or installation of a puppet isn't really feasible either. the only out that can save him face is Ukraine formally conceding those territories.
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Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Even that's going to be a massive climbdown for him, since he obviously intended to conquer the whole country and incorporate it into Russia.
I wonder what percentage of Russians still buy the official line on the "special military operation"? Estimates on the number of Russian soldiers killed so far are already in the many thousands, perhaps as many as 15,000. Obviously Putin has a stranglehold on the media but that many sons failing to come home can't be kept quiet indefinitely.
Clinamenic
Binary & Tweed
If anyone's feeling generous, and doubts the major charity avenues, here's an Amazon wishlist made by a Polish shelter with 50+ Ukrainian orphans, shared by one of the leaders of UkraineDAO. Not sure how this works, but I assume it lets you buy things on Amazon for someone else's account.
Sprawdź moją listę na Amazon
www.amazon.pl
Clinamenic
Binary & Tweed
Also:
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Short but worthwhile piece, not specifically about Russia/Ukraine although that's the most pertinent current example of what the author's talking about.
This bit:
really reminded me of what luka said a while back:
This bit:
really reminded me of what luka said a while back:
Clinamenic
Binary & Tweed
Ukraine's meme game is on point. This could be the first war won with memes.
Clinamenic
Binary & Tweed
I read this on Max's background & origins of Grayzone a while back
Grayzone, Grifters and the Cult of Tank
The sordid origin story of Max Blumenthal’s huckster cadre
I suppose this has been going on for ages with a variety of lads but as society has grown more media savvy and the internet has made it easier to find paper trails, it's a lot harder to obscure your benefactors & interests now
He's obviously on the take but i would assume half of twitter is at this point. A good graft depending on moral compass i guess
Clinamenic
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Leo
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is this whole "Putin was misled by his generals" meme an attempt to fuck with their heads, or a weird way to offer Putin some sort of plausible deniability/exit ramp? "Oh, Putin didn't know the real conditions, he would never have invaded otherwise". Not that anyone thinks that's true, but that't not the point.
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
I was reading about this earlier today. It would be pretty funny if the regime that has raised lying to an art form ultimately fails because the Bullshitter-in-Chief was getting bullshat by his own generals and ministers.
But I suppose it's an occupational hazard of being a dictator that your underlings will inevitably lie to you to make themselves look good, escape your wrath, or try and do each other over.
But I suppose it's an occupational hazard of being a dictator that your underlings will inevitably lie to you to make themselves look good, escape your wrath, or try and do each other over.
